What do non-fundamentalist Christians actually believe?

[Wyrd of Gawd]

Paul said that if a person doesn't believe that Jesus bit the dust and was actually resurrected that the person can't be a Christian.  You must believe in zombie Jesus to be a real Christian because that's the central doctrine of Christianity.  1 Corinthians chapter 15.

Well apparently not. There are some Christians who say they don't believe in the Resurrection. God really must work in mysterious ways to convince them to worship him despite their disbelief in his miracle.

Even muslims believe in resurrection and Judgment Day.

[The Grand Nudger]

Well apparently not. There are some Christians who say they don't believe in the Resurrection. God really must work in mysterious ways to convince them to worship him despite their disbelief in his miracle.

To those christians, raising from the grave isn't the miracle of god.  I can understand, they probably have something altogether larger than zombie jesus in mind when they think of god and miracles.

Yes, I think the way the term fundamentalist is used on atheist forums and conventions and whatnot is different then the way I was thinking of it. Which was in a more literal sense. As in, if you were to believe the central theme of the NT. Although, Im not familiar with any specific denominations of Christianity that don't believe that Christ is the son of god and all that. It wouldn't surprise me to find out they exist but I wouldn't call them true Scotsmen..er Christians I mean.   Seeing how that's what the book says. It would be akin to the plumber reference I made earlier.

"The central theme" sounds like vague cafeteria christianity to me...and that's how it sounds to the fundies too.  The book says a lot of things that you probably don't believe. Doesn't keep you from considering yourself a christian, true or otherwise, right?

[Aractus]

Non-fundamentalist "christians" have NO SINCERELY HELD RELIGIOUS VIEWS as sincerely held religious views would encompass all Scripture as ordained by God and their personal whims and preferences would be secondary to His WILL, not the other way round.

I completely disagree. People have all kinds of sincerely held religious views, no matter what faith they belong to, and no matter where they fall along the path of Orthodoxy to Liberal. Infallibility of scripture is a doctrinal matter for churches, it's not a requirement of faith.

[vorlon13]

If our hypothetical 'Christianity lite' candidate feels free to look at the entirety of the Bible and to pick and choose like a picky eater at an Andrew Zimern inspired buffet which scriptures to comport to and which to ignore (scoff at?) how can I conclude anything except they are in charge, not God ??

And if they are in charge, while they may be sincere unto themselves and their own judgment, they are not evidencing any more or any greater fealty or deference to God than they do to their (hypothetical) homeowners association covenants and restrictions when their board hasn't convened a meeting or enforced a single term or condition in 10 years.

I don't want to put words in your mouth, but I feel I'd be having to take their 'religious' views more seriously than they do with your interpretation. I viscerally do not want to do that. I don't know why any court could/would or should do so either.

I want to (figuratively) hold their feet to the fire, ask those questions about Leviticus, embarrass them with their manifest slacker attitude, make them understand the consequences of funding corrupt hierarchies promulgating primitive morality they do not subscribe to and insist they make a choice; pony up to their shitty book of fraudulent myths, warts and all, or get honest with themselves and drop out of the game.

[Rendition99]

First and foremost, non-fundamentalist "christians" believe THEY know better than God concerning His Holy Scriptures and their applicability and relevance.

Non-fundamentalist "christians" have NO SINCERELY HELD RELIGIOUS VIEWS as sincerely held religious views would encompass all Scripture as ordained by God and their personal whims and preferences would be secondary to His WILL, not the other way round.

Non-fundamentalist "christians" are

(pick as many as apply)

*heretics

*apostates

*blasphemers

*agnostics

*atheists

Hi Vorlon 13. I'm a little confused, your profile doesn't state that you are a believer. This is said with seemingly so much force that you seem a fundamentalist yourself. Have I got something wrong?

[vorlon13]

I don't think much of slacker christers. They should either up their game (then come here and defend their faith) or get out of the racket entirely.

I don't recall in the time I've been here of any christers coming here to post that could pass even the fluffiest test of religious fealty and knowledge, I'm starting to think there is no such thing.

If that is the case, we are seeing the end of our reason to be atheist as the quality of the average believer is now so low as to blur any meaningful distinction.

[vorlon13]

Additionally, these slacker christians are attempting to influence public policy, elections, public schools, and even businesses with their confused take on their supposed sincerely held religious views. I find it galling they have the effrontery to be that sure when it comes to contacting their senator about some presumed slight towards their faith, and yet won't even consider at least LOOKING at the 600+ rules and strictures in Leviticus, let alone actually following them, particularly ones specifically endorsed in the NT and ignored there too.

For reasons I still find incomprehensible, some of these slacker types are also out rustling the bushes for new recruits to their christianity lite version of their 2000 year old 'eternal and unchanging' religion. It's preposterous and ludicrous that if their religion was even remotely true, that a fluffed and sanitized and further watered down version of their faith could ever secure favor with god or guarantee even a particle of a chance at actual salvation.

The intrinsic, fundamental dishonesty and arrogance of touting a religion with a supposed 'Holy' book chock a block full of all manner of rules and minutia that can be treated like a fucking buffet is enraging to me, as it should be (but apparently isn't) to the actual True Believers, of which there doesn't appear to be any.