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My views on Christianity ...
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My views on Christianity ...
First off, I think Christianity should be banned. Why? They banned Nazi-ism.
But they're 2 completely different things, right? Let's take a look ...

I better warn you that I fell asleep in history at school, so feel free to correct any errors if there are any.

"Features" of Nazi-ism :

- Belief that they are the superior "Aryan" race, better than the non-Aryans or "Untermensch".
- They had a system, where if someone suspected his neighbor or co-worker, etc, of being opposed to, or even just non-Nazi, he could tell his Nazi superiors and have the non-Nazi "dealt with" (sent to a concentration camp, am I right?).
- They eventually killed anyone who they deemed to be a threat to the Aryan race. Most of these people were just innocent.
- In Nazi Germany, many people had to pretend to be Nazi's.
- Even today, though a minority, they spew hatred upon all those people the Nazi's killed.

Christianity (I can just copy and paste them ^ and change some words...) :

- Belief that they are the superior "Followers of Christ", better than the non-Christians or "Heretic".
- They had a system, where if someone suspected his neighbor or co-worker, etc, of being Pagan, or even just non-Christian, he could tell his Christian superiors and have the non-Christian "dealt with" (inquisition, anyone?).
- They eventually killed anyone who they deemed to be a threat to the Christian religion. Most of these people were just innocent.
- During the Inquisition, many people had to pretend to be Christian.
- Even today, as a majority, they spew hatred upon all those people the Christians killed.

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The only difference I can see now, is that Nazi's are banned, to the point where I actually got suspended and almost expelled from school for drawing a picture of Hitler in an Asda costume out of boredom. While Christianity is free to run riot in this world.

The next subject ... Funerals.

If it's any different in America, tell me. But over here ... When someone dies, at their funeral, a priest turns up. Most of the funeral is composed of this priest telling us that we are all God's children and that the deceased person is waiting for us in Jesus's "house" for all of us who believe.

Last time I checked, funerals were for remembering this family member or friend who died, not for remembering this religious guy's fucking saviour. Am I right? I mean, my uncle died, I was at his funeral, and I just find it really offensive that this superstitious (is that the word?) old priest is hijacking the funeral. Show some respect. Sure, it gives us some comfort to believe that he's not just stopped existing, but I feel that this is just another way to promote their religion and/or make them look "Good".

Then you get the gravestones... I want to know, is there any way I can make sure they DON'T put a crucifix or the likes on my gravestone? I'd rather have a valknut or a pentagram but as long as there's no Christian symbols I'm fine. I mean ... Big greedy companies are bad but you don't see THEM advertising on someone's gravestone, do you? I've never passed a gravestone that said "BT Broadband - The most expensive, unreliable broadband yet! Call 0800-THROTTLEMYDOWNLOADS".

I'd call it blasphemy if I ever rose from the grave and saw a crucifix on my stone. When the time comes to write my will or whatever you write that decides how your funeral goes, aside from the thing about all my possessions going to my mates and family and my porn folder being deleted, I'm gonna have "No priest invited to my funeral", and "No crucifixes on my gravestone". I hope that's possible.

Well that's the end of my rant, because I need a pish, and can't be bothered writing any more. I'll probably add to it later. Tell me what you all think. And agree with me, or I'll find out where you live and take a dump on your chest then take pictures of it and upload it to Redtube.
"And on the seventh day, Man created God"
- My Bible.
I don't care if anyone else said it first 'coz it popped up in my head randomly one day =].
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#2
RE: My views on Christianity ...
question 1. If you believe what "Christians" did to Naz-ism was wrong, isn't it just as wrong to impose the same restriction of freedon on another group? Why not work toward lifting the Naz-ism "ban" if one exists. In America I am aware of no such ban.
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RE: My views on Christianity ...
Quote:question 1. If you believe what "Christians" did to Naz-ism was wrong, isn't it just as wrong to impose the same restriction of freedon on another group? Why not work toward lifting the Naz-ism "ban" if one exists. In America I am aware of no such ban.

I think you missed the point he was trying to make. He didn't disagree with the ban, but he believes Christianity should be banned for the exact same reason.

I am not on board with his analogy, but I get where he is coming from.
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#4
RE: My views on Christianity ...
"First off, I think Christianity should be banned. Why? They banned Nazi-ism."
To state you want something banned because it banned something else is one point. It doesn't necessarily state your belief in something wrong, but when followed by such a quote as "Christianity run riot in the world" implies a standing that Christianity was wrong for doing what it did. My question was in reference to the logic behind his eye-for-an-eye stance.

The other point he made was comparing Christianity to Naz-ism. That point I don't even think I will adress right now.
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RE: My views on Christianity ...
Nazism is not banned, there are Neo Nazis all over the world who have no problem speaking up and forming political movements (BNP anyone?) and for that reason arguing that Christianity should be banned because of vague correlations with Nazism is not only idiotic, it's fallacious.
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RE: My views on Christianity ...
I'm not a Nazi and I'm not saying Nazi-ism is okay or should be allowed. They're just as bad if not worse than Christians, but at least they're easier to get rid of.

And last time I checked, Nazi-ism was in some way illegal. I'm not an expert on the complex ways the law works, but there was a guy up here who was going to jail for robbing a store, then some Nazi ringtone came on his phone, and he got a bigger sentence for that ... Nazi-ism can't be 100% legal, can it?

Even the time I almost got expelled from school, for drawing Hitler in an Asda costume ... They made it pretty clear to me that I wasn't suspended for graffiti, and people get away with a lot worse graffiti. They made it clear that I was being suspended on suspicions of being a Nazi ... You'll probably understand why I was quick to remove the drawing of Pac Man being chased by ghosts - In case I got labelled a Klansman.

Next, I didn't say it was wrong to ban Nazi-ism ... Thank fuck they're not so popular these days - I'm not German, I'm 5'7", I don't have blonde hair and my eyes are green.

theVOID, they're not "vague correlations" (though I admit I don't know every word and just had to look up what vague means). It's pretty clear - Christians killed people, Nazi's killed people - All based on beliefs. And it's pretty obvious that with the mentality of these people (Christians) and the way they speak about things they believe to be "sinful", given the right power, they'd kill again.

I don't see why they're not AT LEAST a bit more restricted, if not outright banned. They get special schools made for Christians (and different branches), they get funding from the government from what I know, and last time I walked down Shettleston they had 3 Churches within a tiny distance of each other. Why are they given so much?
"And on the seventh day, Man created God"
- My Bible.
I don't care if anyone else said it first 'coz it popped up in my head randomly one day =].
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RE: My views on Christianity ...
(December 15, 2009 at 4:57 am)NuckChorris Wrote: - Belief that they are the superior "Followers of Christ", better than the non-Christians or "Heretic".

While some Christians might believe this, not all do. I certainly do not. From my perspective on Christianity, the only difference between me an you in God's eyes is that I have accepted/trust in the death of Jesus as paying the penalty for my sin and you have not. That does not make me any better than you as a person.

(December 15, 2009 at 4:57 am)NuckChorris Wrote: - They had a system, where if someone suspected his neighbor or co-worker, etc, of being Pagan, or even just non-Christian, he could tell his Christian superiors and have the non-Christian "dealt with" (inquisition, anyone?).
- They eventually killed anyone who they deemed to be a threat to the Christian religion. Most of these people were just innocent.
- During the Inquisition, many people had to pretend to be Christian.

Any inquisitions going on today? I don't think there are any in the US.

(December 15, 2009 at 4:57 am)NuckChorris Wrote: - Even today, as a majority, they spew hatred upon all those people the Christians killed.

Sadly some do this. But I think it is a small minority, not a majority.

(December 15, 2009 at 4:57 am)NuckChorris Wrote: The next subject ... Funerals.

If it's any different in America, tell me. But over here ... When someone dies, at their funeral, a priest turns up. Most of the funeral is composed of this priest telling us that we are all God's children and that the deceased person is waiting for us in Jesus's "house" for all of us who believe.

Last time I checked, funerals were for remembering this family member or friend who died, not for remembering this religious guy's ... saviour. Am I right?

Seems to me that here in the U.S. that would depend on the desires of the person and what their family decides to do. I have personally had to help arrange my father's funeral and it is really up to the family what is done. There is certainly no requirement for a pastor or priest. And as far as I know, you can get whatever you want on your gravestone. You just have to make sure that the person who is left behind to take care of the arrangements will carry out your wishes.

(December 15, 2009 at 4:57 am)NuckChorris Wrote: I mean, my uncle died, I was at his funeral, and I just find it really offensive that this superstitious (is that the word?) old priest is hijacking the funeral. Show some respect.

Again, I think it depends on the person and the family. I would want that sort of thing at my funeral so if you came to mine, hopefully you would respect that. But I agree with you that if that is not what a person/family wants, then providing it anyway is inappropriate and is not showing respect.
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RE: My views on Christianity ...
rjh4, it's good to see there's some good Christians, but in my experience I've only saw a few good Christians like you. Sure that might be 'coz I'm not a big fan of Christianity so it's easier for me to spot their bad points and easier for you to spot their good points, but oh well.

When I talk about the Inquisition, I didn't say there's any going on today. But it was a product of their beliefs/attitudes, and they ideas have lived on into this time. So no, I don't see any Inquisitions today, but I see possibility for another one.

Quote:Seems to me that here in the U.S. that would depend on the desires of the person and what their family decides to do. I have personally had to help arrange my father's funeral and it is really up to the family what is done. There is certainly no requirement for a pastor or priest. And as far as I know, you can get whatever you want on your gravestone. You just have to make sure that the person who is left behind to take care of the arrangements will carry out your wishes.

The "default" here is to invite a priest along and to put crosses on the gravestones. Since I was baptised back when I couldn't say no, they count me as a member of the Catholic church (I actually had to score out "Catholic" a few times on my reports for the Panel I went to). Then with the whole "We know better" attitude I've saw with Christians over here, I don't even know if they'll listen to my wishes. Hopefully they do tho'.

But they do seem a lot more arrogant here than you do, so maybe we just have it bad, with the amount of other cunts we get over here xD
Most of the old people I've met have this "Holier than thou" attitude, even tho' it should be the opposite since at old age their mind deteriorates not advances. Then you get the preachers in town - This one I argued with for almost 2 hours, he had his head so far up his arse it almost defied the laws of physics. Then my old friend from school, took him a good few years to realize I don't want to be evangelicised.

Well you're the sort who should be leading those religious groups, not the ones calling the shots right now.
"And on the seventh day, Man created God"
- My Bible.
I don't care if anyone else said it first 'coz it popped up in my head randomly one day =].
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RE: My views on Christianity ...
(December 15, 2009 at 12:10 pm)NuckChorris Wrote: rjh4, it's good to see there's some good Christians, but in my experience I've only saw a few good Christians like you. ...
Well you're the sort who should be leading those religious groups, not the ones calling the shots right now.

Thank you for the kind words. I do appreciate them.
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RE: My views on Christianity ...
Other than in Germany, where Nazi symbolism is illegal, I don't think Nazism is 'banned' or illegal in any meaningful way. Especially not in America, where freedom of speech and freedom of thought are heavily protected.

There's such a thing as hate-crime laws, which often target neo-Nazis, and are as close to thought-crime as we've come in recent times.
- Meatball
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