DESTROY NOAH'S ARK

[Mudhammam]

Making ridiculously ignorant
strawmen counts as trying? Trying what, to not learn anything and perfect his impression of the preacher in Red State?

No but he is on an atheist forum and forcing his brain to confront facts, even if he's not conscious of it, which is more than most Christians are willing to do.

But seriously, do not make me feel like defending G_C.

[Godscreated]

Silly debate is silly.

At some point, whether it's how the ark was built, how noah managed to fit everything aboard, how he managed to catch all the "kinds" of animal, where the water came from / went, what the animals ate when they left the ark (eg, why the lions dis not wipe out the gazelle 40 seconds after the gates opened), at some point one has to introduce the "nothing is impossible with god" argument. Else it's not a miracle. Whether we need to invoke God magic from square one, how come noah lived so long, or only once or twice, is irrelevant.

If it was all entirely natural, explicable and requires no "God magic", then it ceases to be anything more than a geological event and has no more to do with God than a volcano or tsunami.

GC you're happy to invoke God magic for the resurrection or water into wine, why the effort to suggest that God magic was not at work here?

It was all God's work, what makes you think it wasn't?

GC

[Rampant.A.I.]

Silly debate is silly.

At some point, whether it's how the ark was built, how noah managed to fit everything aboard, how he managed to catch all the "kinds" of animal, where the water came from / went, what the animals ate when they left the ark (eg, why the lions dis not wipe out the gazelle 40 seconds after the gates opened), at some point one has to introduce the "nothing is impossible with god" argument. Else it's not a miracle. Whether we need to invoke God magic from square one, how come noah lived so long, or only once or twice, is irrelevant.

If it was all entirely natural, explicable and requires no "God magic", then it ceases to be anything more than a geological event and has no more to do with God than a volcano or tsunami.

GC you're happy to invoke God magic for the resurrection or water into wine, why the effort to suggest that God magic was not at work here?

It was all God's work, what makes you think it wasn't?

GC

"I can't support my claim, so I demand you prove a negative!"

[max-greece]

As for the blue whale - yes I know it can swim - but according to Genesis 7, 15 "Pairs of all creatures that have the breath of life in them came to Noah and entered the ark."

The breath of life? Not fish then - but whales, which breath, are included.

The word 'breath' in the Hebrew can mean literal breath or wind, but it is also used as a metaphor to refer to the spirit or soul, the animating force of life. Given the context, the latter seems to make more sense, and obviates your objection about the whale.

How so?

Do land animals have a spirit or soul the whale lacks?

Tempted to ask at what point in the whale's evolution from a land animal back to a sea creature it lost its spirit or soul.....

[Godscreated]

It's still a cat and a mule is still equine. I guess you didn't know they could swim, the blue whale that is.

GC

Sorry GC your stupidity is confusing me.

Are you suggesting Noah took a pair of ligers on the ark? If you are, and that is what I though you meant then that wouldn't work because ligers are infertile - that's the point.

As for the blue whale - yes I know it can swim - but according to Genesis 7, 15 "Pairs of all creatures that have the breath of life in them came to Noah and entered the ark."

The breath of life? Not fish then - but whales, which breath, are included.

I didn't write this shit you know. There was no reason to take whales, other than God not knowing they "have the breath of life."

Of course its confirmed again in Verse 22:

"Everything on dry land that had the breath of life in its nostrils died. 23 Every living thing on the face of the earth was wiped out;"

Again God doesn't get it that some sea creatures have the breath of life in its nostrils.

Shocking, ain't it!

Maybe you should read the verse you posted, this time real slow and you might just see the truth. Since I doubt you will be able to let's look at it a little closer, dry land should be your hint and by the way the breath of life was in all creatures.

GC

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The word 'breath' in the Hebrew can mean literal breath or wind, but it is also used as a metaphor to refer to the spirit or soul, the animating force of life. Given the context, the latter seems to make more sense, and obviates your objection about the whale.

How so?

Do land animals have a spirit or soul the whale lacks?

Tempted to ask at what point in the whale's evolution from a land animal back to a sea creature it lost its spirit or soul.....

Conscious dude conscious, something I think you lack at this time.

GC

[Godscreated]

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It's still a cat and a mule is still equine. I guess you didn't know they could swim, the blue whale that is.

GC

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Having a global flood would have drastically altered sea and air currents. Migrations of animals would also have been drastically affected, as would their food sources.

And your point makes no sense whatsoever. If the aim was to save 2 of every animal, but animals that lived under the sea could obviously just swim their way around instead of getting onto the arc, then how did god ensure that only two survived? Or did all the sea creatures survive?

I'm sure a lot of the water creatures died and that many more survived, they would have been needed for many of the carnivores.

And what the fuck did god have against the animals? If it was humans that had been baddies, then why the fuck did he cull everything else as well? What about the trees? Did he save 2 of every species of tree and plant as well?

I would guess that most plant life died, except for water plants they would have survived. I would believe that many seeds survived.
I'm going to say something most here miss, God as creator could aid in the survival of all the plants and animals He desired to survive and most do not recognize that the flood was a cleansing.

GC

[Rampant.A.I.]

Special pleading magical wizard wand-waiving appeal to magic! God simply made the trees, shrubs, flowers, tree ferns, and this 9,550 year old tree waterproof!

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/200...104320.htm

See? God is all-powerful, and can do anything he wants, even defy logic.

[Chas]

I doubt that there were 8.3 million animals on the Ark because God did say kinds. Kind were those which can not interbreed, that does not hold true with today's definition of species. Who says that creationist do not believe in speciation, the lion and tiger are breed together to bring about another cat called a liger, yet it is still a cat. If evolution were correct we could breed a lion and a dog and get a log.

GC

Define 'kinds'. I'll wait.

Your ignorance of genetics is stunning. And the worst part is that it is willful ignorance. For shame.

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Having a global flood would have drastically altered sea and air currents. Migrations of animals would also have been drastically affected, as would their food sources.

And your point makes no sense whatsoever. If the aim was to save 2 of every animal, but animals that lived under the sea could obviously just swim their way around instead of getting onto the arc, then how did god ensure that only two survived? Or did all the sea creatures survive?

I'm sure a lot of the water creatures died and that many more survived, they would have been needed for many of the carnivores.

And what the fuck did god have against the animals? If it was humans that had been baddies, then why the fuck did he cull everything else as well? What about the trees? Did he save 2 of every species of tree and plant as well?

I would guess that most plant life died, except for water plants they would have survived. I would believe that many seeds survived.
I'm going to say something most here miss, God as creator could aid in the survival of all the plants and animals He desired to survive and most do not recognize that the flood was a cleansing.

GC

So, magic. Is that your final answer?

[Godscreated]

We have no exact date, we can use the Bible and the generations it names to give us a clue, we do not however know that all generations were recorded. But I'm guessing 4000 years at least.

GC

Where did all the water go which was required for flooding the earth?


The water is still here, it was always here, a flood of that magnitude would have made vast changes to the earth. Changes such as one single land mass into the continents, deeper ocean floors and higher mountains. You do know sea shells are found atop all mountain ranges.



Do you know that earth is a sphere?


Yes, but I do not see your point with this question.



How did forests survived?


I would think seeds, scientist were amazed at how fast the Mt. Saint Helen's area started to recover form what seem like total destruction.



How did animals get across continents?


Land bridges there have been several, birds can fly considerable distances, men had boats and could have easily taken many animals with them.



How did polar bears survive?


Do you even know polar bears were in existence during Noah's time. If there were why wouldn't they survive on the billions of fish in the oceans.



Why don't we find remains of tons of people who died in the flood?


Why don't we find tons of animals that live for the supposed millions of years given to evolution, what we find is only a small amount of what could have lived.



How did people get to south america, north america and australia?

I already answered that, land bridges and boats, I do not think anyone would dispute this. Seems there's a new idea that man discovered South America long before Columbus ever sailed.

GC

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@ Chas, I did define kinds, you should pay attention to what you read.

God doesn't do magic, He makes things possible with His power. Magic is for the childish such as yourself.

GC

[Rampant.A.I.]

Here are 11 types of life which could not have survived a worldwide flood, with notable selections below. Note that seed reproduction would not be possible for many of them.

4. Mojave Yucca: 12,000 years old (Mojave Desert, California)

"The approximately 12,000-year-old creosote bush and Mojave yucca both have remarkable circular structures, pushing slowly outward from a central originating stem. New stems replace old ones, but they are all connected by the same clonal root structure."

6. Huon Pine: 10,500 years old (Mount Read, Tasmania)

"Fire destroyed much of this clonal colony of Huon Pines on Mount Read, Tasmania, but a substantial portion of it survived. The age of the colony was discovered by carbon dating ancient pollen found at the bottom of a nearby lakebed, which was genetically matched to the living colony."

7. Antarctic Moss: 5,500 years old (Elephant Island, Antarctica)



"This 5,500-year-old moss bank lives right around the corner from where the Shackleton Expedition was marooned 100 years ago on Elephant Island, Antarctica. It was a victory simply being able to locate it. These days it's easier to get to Antarctica from space."

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5030282