What happened to Matthew's zombies?

[heathendegenerate]

satan is one big elaborate ruse waiting to happen... he's conning your soul with skimpy bitches and cheap narcotics.

[Jackalope]

satan is one big elaborate ruse waiting to happen... he's conning your soul with skimpy bitches and cheap narcotics.

One non-existent soul for skimpy bitches and cheap narcotics?

Deal.

[truthBtold]

Lek.. I would like to know how do u trust someone that we dont even know who wrote the bible?

[Lek]

Lek.. I would like to know how do u trust someone that we dont even know who wrote the bible?

I didn't read the bible and then decide to become a christian. I first heard of the experiences of others with God and how he changed their lives. I looked at my own life and the world I live in and opened myself up to him. Sometimes I listen to you all and it causes me to confirm to myself the reasons I believe. I believe Jesus and he believed the scriptures, and that really makes me view the bible in a different light. But the biggest reason for believing is my experience with God in my own life and seeing how others are transformed by God in their lives.

[truthBtold]

Lek.. I would like to know how do u trust someone that we dont even know who wrote the bible?

I didn't read the bible and then decide to become a christian. I first heard of the experiences of others with God and how he changed their lives. I looked at my own life and the world I live in and opened myself up to him. Sometimes I listen to you all and it causes me to confirm to myself the reasons I believe. I believe Jesus and he believed the scriptures, and that really makes me view the bible in a different light. But the biggest reason for believing is my experience with God in my own life and seeing how others are transformed by God in their lives.

Thanks for being honest. ..

[Minimalist]

Honest and gullible.

[Lek]

Thanks truthBtold. Minimalist, you just won't give me a break, will you?

[Godlesspanther]

Thanks truthBtold. Minimalist, you just won't give me a break, will you?

Why should he? You are obviously not evaluating your belief system. You are just accepting the information that you like (people happy on Jesus-dope) and ignoring the information that you don't want to deal with (people happy on Mohammed, Krishna, Ramtha, etc. dope.)

You are not applying critical thinking to that which you just want to believe. Just because you would like for something to be true does not mean that it is true. If you were to apply the same reasons that you reject Islam (for example) to your own religion -- you would have to reject that too. You seem to have more respect for other gods than you do your own. You have standards and expectations for other religious constructs, and you reject those constructs because they do not live up to the standards that you hold them to. You apply absolutely no standards to your own religious construct -- just believe it because you want it to be true.

That is just the way that it looks outside the bubble that you have locked yourself into.

[Minimalist]

Thanks truthBtold. Minimalist, you just won't give me a break, will you?

You don't deserve one.

Try to remember that you are spouting your holy horseshit on an atheist forum. Many of us have already survived early childhood indoctrination and rejected your tales as utter nonsense.

[orangebox21]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus_on_Jesus

Read paragraph two and then please, tell us what you can authoritatively tell us about Josephus' Jesus from TF with a straight face.

I did before I posted. Among scholars there is often some degree of disagreement and/or skepticism. Quoting: "Although the exact nature and extent of the Christian redaction remains unclear[12]," and "there is broad consensus as to what the original text of the Testimonium by Josephus would have looked like.[9]" Those two quotes should be enough to determine what Josephus said about Jesus. My contention is not that Josephus spoke of Jesus as the Christ, but rather spoke of Him from a historical perspective. It is my understanding that is not in question.

Josephus was a Pharisaic jew and the idea that he would call some dirty little hippie preacher "moshiach" ( which translates to the Greek Christos ) is simply stupid. He was from a priestly family and his general opinion of those who caused trouble was that they were rightly killed.
Oddly.... disastrously so, to jesus freaks.... in Book 1, Chapter 47 of Origen's Contra Celsus we get this little tidbit:

For in the 18th book of his Antiquities of the Jews, Josephus bears witness to John as having been a Baptist, and as promising purification to those who underwent the rite. Now this writer, although not believing in Jesus as the Christ,

So, Origen, living some 75 years before Eusebius of Caesarea correctly identifies Book XVIII of Antiquities, correctly notes the JtheB passage but somehow manages to miss the supposed reference to your godboy.
Now, genius. How do you suppose that happened?

My response was to the poster's contention that there is no corroboration that Jesus lived (historically speaking). I do not propose that Josephus would have been 'believing in Jesus as the Christ.' Many, maybe most, Jews reject Jesus as the Christ even to this day. Josephus' opinion of Jesus is not the issue, but rather that He lived.

Do you have any proof that 2+2=4 outside of math?
Do you have any proof of evolution outside of science?
Do you have any proof of the law of non-contradiction outside of the laws of logic?

That's a really stupid line of reasoning, as we can observe math working by doing it, we can observe evolution occurring live, and we can find many, many concepts for which the law of non-contradiction applies, and none for which it does not.

I think you missed my point. There are some things that in order to prove you have to believe in them first. The proof of an absolute involves initial faith/presupposition(s)/assumtion(s).

On the other hand, nobody has ever, ever been able to confirm any of the miraculous claims in the bible,

Except the witnesses at the time, who's record remains.

and we know that the majority of them could not have happened.

How do we know that?

If this is the comparison you want to be making, then my next question will be: what observations can you make about the bible to confirm it to be true?

I observe it working by doing it, I observe people's lives changing because of it, and I observe many concepts of life within the words of the book.

We can't say for sure. The Bible doesn't always give us the details for every question. What we do know for sure (taken from reading below/the text): Tombs were opened by an earthquake when Jesus died. Many bodies of dead saints were raised from the dead. They came out of their graves after Christ was resurrected. They went into Jerusalem and appeared to many people. They were alive.

It's the ......... "What we do know for sure" ...............part that makes it art.

I'm stating that given the text, that is what we know for sure. In other words what is not speculation but rather derived from the text is what we know for sure.