Feel sorry for satan

[MJ the Skeptical]

According to the story, Satan is just made the way god made him. Hard to fault the guy for being an automaton of a sadomasochistic deity.

[Severan]

Anyway I talked to a VERY serious christian long ago and he told me this.

First there was god.
He is completely omniscient(knows the future).
He made heaven, earth, lucifer and angels.
He knew lucifer would rebel.
He made hell for angels who rebel.
Hell is eternal fire torture(he didn't design it for humans though or so he's saying).
Adam eats the apple so god kicks humans out to earth.
God lets satan fuck with humans(fool them) for a while because he got some cool plan.
Jesus comes back at some point in future(he doesn't know when so they can delay it forever).
Christians who die on earth go to heaven.
Non christians who die go to hell.
Then when time is up satan and his buddies also go to hell forever and christians are staying in heaven forever.
However when I asked details about satan he said that satan hates god more then anyone else in the universe. And is suffering all the time because of hate and because he constantly fails in battle against god(god is one step ahead all the time because of omniscience + omnipotence).
So satan is constantly suffering.

Do you think it's kind of cruel to create satan knowing satan will hate and suffer for thousands of years just so god can throw him into late of fire to burn forever with non christians? Sounds kinda brutal.

Yes.

I trust that if hell does exist, the brilliant scientists there would have air conditioned it by now.

[No_God]

What if Satan is actually the good guy and God is the bad guy and THAT'S why Satan wants to take over the world... because God brainwashed people with his evil magic to think that Satan is really the bad guy.... cause according to the bible God killed like millions of people and Satan killed only like one or two...so maybe he is really the good guy all along...

[Chad32]

Anyway I talked to a VERY serious christian long ago and he told me this.

First there was god.
He is completely omniscient(knows the future).
He made heaven, earth, lucifer and angels.
He knew lucifer would rebel.
He made hell for angels who rebel.
Hell is eternal fire torture(he didn't design it for humans though or so he's saying).
Adam eats the apple so god kicks humans out to earth.
God lets satan fuck with humans(fool them) for a while because he got some cool plan.
Jesus comes back at some point in future(he doesn't know when so they can delay it forever).
Christians who die on earth go to heaven.
Non christians who die go to hell.
Then when time is up satan and his buddies also go to hell forever and christians are staying in heaven forever.
However when I asked details about satan he said that satan hates god more then anyone else in the universe. And is suffering all the time because of hate and because he constantly fails in battle against god(god is one step ahead all the time because of omniscience + omnipotence).
So satan is constantly suffering.

Do you think it's kind of cruel to create satan knowing satan will hate and suffer for thousands of years just so god can throw him into late of fire to burn forever with non christians? Sounds kinda brutal.

Yes.

I trust that if hell does exist, the brilliant scientists there would have air conditioned it by now.

I've heard this one before. That all the intelligent people going to hell would be hard at work renovating it to make it better. If you think of hell as just this place where Yahweh is absent, instead of a lake of fire and all that, then it really doesn't sound bad. Whereas heaven can sound like a horrible place from another perspective. If free will is connected to sin, does that mean we won't have free will in heaven? Not to mention we'd be worshiping someone who has done heinous things that the only way to sweep them under the rug is just to hope that the guy really is what he says he is.

[Severan]

Yes.

I trust that if hell does exist, the brilliant scientists there would have air conditioned it by now.

I've heard this one before. That all the intelligent people going to hell would be hard at work renovating it to make it better. If you think of hell as just this place where Yahweh is absent, instead of a lake of fire and all that, then it really doesn't sound bad. Whereas heaven can sound like a horrible place from another perspective. If free will is connected to sin, does that mean we won't have free will in heaven? Not to mention we'd be worshiping someone who has done heinous things that the only way to sweep them under the rug is just to hope that the guy really is what he says he is.

Heaven is hotter than hell.
Isaiah 30:26 says that the light in heaven is 49 times the light the earth would receive in one day. So using the Stephan Boltzmann fourth power law, heaven is 525° Celsius.

Revelations 21:8 says that hell is a lake of molten brimstone(sulphur) therefore hell must be below the boiling point of sulphur which is 444.6° Celsius. Past that point it would simply be vapor.

525° in heaven and 444.6° in hell. I'm going to have to prefer hell if we are judging by temperature.

[ShaMan]

Yet another example of theists misunderstanding their own holy book - it's nothing new and it fails to surprise me.

[tor]

Yet another example of theists misunderstanding their own holy book - it's nothing new and it fails to surprise me.

Or maybe it is the books misunderstandings of the world?

[ShaMan]

Yet another example of theists misunderstanding their own holy book - it's nothing new and it fails to surprise me.

Or maybe it is the books misunderstandings of the world?

It could as easily be said in that way.

[Chad32]

I've heard this one before. That all the intelligent people going to hell would be hard at work renovating it to make it better. If you think of hell as just this place where Yahweh is absent, instead of a lake of fire and all that, then it really doesn't sound bad. Whereas heaven can sound like a horrible place from another perspective. If free will is connected to sin, does that mean we won't have free will in heaven? Not to mention we'd be worshiping someone who has done heinous things that the only way to sweep them under the rug is just to hope that the guy really is what he says he is.

Heaven is hotter than hell.
Isaiah 30:26 says that the light in heaven is 49 times the light the earth would receive in one day. So using the Stephan Boltzmann fourth power law, heaven is 525° Celsius.

Revelations 21:8 says that hell is a lake of molten brimstone(sulphur) therefore hell must be below the boiling point of sulphur which is 444.6° Celsius. Past that point it would simply be vapor.

525° in heaven and 444.6° in hell. I'm going to have to prefer hell if we are judging by temperature.

Well I would assume the firmament of the Earth, between the sun and heaven, would help block some of that heat. It's not like all light really comes from the flaming ball that is the sun anyway, since it existed before the sun. Heaven is bright, but not necessarily hot.