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RE: queston for Atheist
April 7, 2014 at 3:51 pm
(April 7, 2014 at 2:23 pm)super spidey man Wrote: No its not that's because you assume that the eye and brain were somehow developed by its self over billions of years and you assume that macro-evolution is real which is just an assertion because of what you see in micro-evolution which is just natural selection which does not prove evolution.
There's no assumption made.
There are organisms with every possible level of eye development, from light sensitive skin patches all the way to eyes that are better than human eyes.
And they didn't develop by themselves, they developed with the help of natural selection.
Macro evolution is micro evolution with more time.
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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RE: queston for Atheist
April 7, 2014 at 4:30 pm
(April 4, 2014 at 12:21 pm)Rampant.A.I. Wrote: Or a dictionary, apparently.
Quote:a·the·ism
ˈāTHēˌizəm/
noun
1.
disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods.
synonyms: nonbelief, disbelief, unbelief, irreligion, skepticism, doubt, agnosticism
The expression of disbelief of a current scientific model has no bearing on whether or not that model is accurate, or make the false dichotomy "if the Big Bang wrong, then God," when there is substantial evidence for Big Bang theory, and no evidence for God. There is substantial evidence for evolution, and for abiogenesis as the possible beginnings of life.
No such evidence exists for God. It makes zero logical sense to say "I reject all current scientific theories that are well-supported by evidence because I do not accept them, but do accept this answer with no evidence behind it," as the explanations "Shiva did it," "Aliens did it," or a self-aware Cosmic Teapot did it" are equally supported by the evidence as:
"I reject Science; therefore a sky wizard who is uncaused used magic to cause the Big Bang, magic to create life, and magic to cause life to appear in its current form"
There are some points well made here but... and it's a big one...
The reality is that most religious people probably do not understand the psychological processes they have gone through to arrive at their belief, why should they, scientific theory has yet to provide a consensus of opinion on this matter too. The same goes for those who choose an atheistic or agnostic position.
It is neither scientific nor good faith to make assumptions about these processes. There is a possibility that the decisions to be religious or non-religious are retro-actions consciously applied to a subconscious decision that has already been made. This is just as likely an explanation as any other right now.
The question should not be why am I an atheist or why is that person religious but rather what does atheism do or what does religion do for us a humans. When we know what the function of this type of process is it will be easier to see why it persists in human psychology.
Arguing the toss is getting us nowhere.
MM
"The greatest deception men suffer is from their own opinions" - Leonardo da Vinci
"I think I use the term “radical” rather loosely, just for emphasis. If you describe yourself as “atheist,” some people will say, “Don’t you mean ‘agnostic’?” I have to reply that I really do mean atheist, I really do not believe that there is a god; in fact, I am convinced that there is not a god (a subtle difference). I see not a shred of evidence to suggest that there is one ... etc., etc. It’s easier to say that I am a radical atheist, just to signal that I really mean it, have thought about it a great deal, and that it’s an opinion I hold seriously." - Douglas Adams (and I echo the sentiment)
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RE: queston for Atheist
April 7, 2014 at 4:46 pm
I know I'm going to regret this....
So, it takes faith to not accept the presupposition that a super, multidimensional, universe creating, physics controlling entity exists?!
Or does it take faith to presuppose that such an entity does exist?
I'm confused!
I advise some newcomer spider to learn the meaning of honesty, specially "intellectual honesty" and maybe... just maybe, that spider may evolve a bit...
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RE: queston for Atheist
April 7, 2014 at 5:59 pm
(April 7, 2014 at 2:23 pm)super spidey man Wrote: Quote:Evolution is a confirmed biological fact that you can literally see happening live, if you wish. By saying it isn't proved, all you've done is demonstrated the depths of your disinterest in learning what science actually knows.
No its not that's because you assume that the eye and brain were somehow developed by its self over billions of years and you assume that macro-evolution is real which is just an assertion because of what you see in micro-evolution which is just natural selection which does not prove evolution.
Your understanding of evolution is shallow, at best.
Did you know that eyes have evolved at least 40 times independently?
Did you know that the fossil record confirms evolution?
Did you know that DNA confirms evolution?
You need an education.
Skepticism is not a position; it is an approach to claims.
Science is not a subject, but a method.
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RE: queston for Atheist
April 7, 2014 at 8:22 pm
(April 7, 2014 at 5:59 pm)Chas Wrote: Your understanding of evolution is shallow, at best.
Did you know that eyes have evolved at least 40 times independently?
Did you know that the fossil record confirms evolution?
Did you know that DNA confirms evolution?
I can answer that for him. No, he doesn't know any of that. Furthermore, since you can't prove any of it conclusively, he is going to continue saying he knows what he chooses to believe. Neener, neener.
Seriously, this guy has got to be a poe. Too perfectly stupid not to be staged. I am suspicious.
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RE: queston for Atheist
April 7, 2014 at 8:38 pm
(April 4, 2014 at 12:20 pm)super spidey man Wrote: How do you explain the start of the big bang? there has to be and unCaused first cause. The beginning of the big bang in a split second threw in the existence of time,laws,matter,physics, everything are universe lives with today. If the sun was to far away from the earth we would freeze to death, If we were to close the sun we would burn up.If the oxygen level wasn't perfect we would either suffocate or have fires everywhere. DNA is extremely complex everything is designed on a razors edge, life demands for a brilliant designer its the only logical way. And in the explosion of the big bang it wasn't just random chaos everything was guided into place, what did you guys think everything just happen to be perfect?? I don't have near enough faith to be an Atheist.
You are asking two questions here:
1. Where did all the material that originated from the Big Bang come from? Answer: I don't know.
2. Is there such a thing as an ALL-knowing, ALL-powerful, invisible being who is everywhere, who is perfect in every way, who was never born and will never die, and who lives in another dimension called heaven?
Answer: No.
There is an ALLLL-knowing, ALLLL-powerful, inVISible being who is everywhere, who created the WHOLE universe, who lives in another dimension called heaven, who is perfect in every way, who was never born and will never die, and who watches you every minute of every day (even when you're squeezing one out on the toilet). There are also unicorns, leprechauns, Santa Claus, an Easter Bunny, and a giant purple people eater.
JUST BELIEVE IT!
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RE: queston for Atheist
April 7, 2014 at 8:40 pm
(April 7, 2014 at 8:38 pm)Jiggerj Wrote: (April 4, 2014 at 12:20 pm)super spidey man Wrote: How do you explain the start of the big bang? there has to be and unCaused first cause. The beginning of the big bang in a split second threw in the existence of time,laws,matter,physics, everything are universe lives with today. If the sun was to far away from the earth we would freeze to death, If we were to close the sun we would burn up.If the oxygen level wasn't perfect we would either suffocate or have fires everywhere. DNA is extremely complex everything is designed on a razors edge, life demands for a brilliant designer its the only logical way. And in the explosion of the big bang it wasn't just random chaos everything was guided into place, what did you guys think everything just happen to be perfect?? I don't have near enough faith to be an Atheist.
You are asking two questions here:
1. Where did all the material that originated from the Big Bang come from? Answer: I don't know.
2. Is there such a thing as an ALL-knowing, ALL-powerful, invisible being who is everywhere, who is perfect in every way, who was never born and will never die, and who lives in another dimension called heaven?
Answer: No.
Fuck yeah! 
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RE: queston for Atheist
April 10, 2014 at 3:19 pm
(April 7, 2014 at 12:37 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: (April 7, 2014 at 12:34 pm)RobbyPants Wrote: So, because humans were created in God's image, we're all gods? We can just forget other properties when it's convenient?
We're temporarily putting the other qualities aside for this thought experiment.
Wow what a douche, especially for somebody supposedly all knowing.
If the hypothetical idea of an afterlife means more to you than the objectively true reality we all share, then you deserve no respect.
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RE: queston for Atheist
April 10, 2014 at 5:47 pm
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