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Christian "purpose" and "meaning" in life.
#21
RE: Christian "purpose" and "meaning" in life.
You are a professor of what, exactly?

I don't think what you are good at can ever be worthy of even the most flippant accreditation.

(April 17, 2014 at 8:57 pm)Esquilax Wrote:
(April 17, 2014 at 8:46 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: Its not an argument from ignorance. You espouse a a materialist view that intentionally denies that physical systems seek desired ends. Then you engage in special pleading that a certain type of physical process, human brain function, can do so.

My statement about proximate vs ultimate meaning stands unrefuted. I made no claim about the relative value of one to the other.

So first you tell me what I think, and then you invent a problem for that thing you've told me that I think, and then you scoff at me for not solving a problem I don't know exists, in a position that I don't necessarily hold, foisted upon me by a person I've never met.

Yep, that sounds like an entirely rational justification for your claims. Rolleyes

This is wooters. His life does indeed have that one ultimate transcendent purpose and meaning: to serve as proof that a maximum of smarminess is compatible with not having even a minimum of cognition.
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#22
RE: Christian "purpose" and "meaning" in life.
(April 17, 2014 at 8:57 pm)Esquilax Wrote:
(April 17, 2014 at 8:46 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: Its not an argument from ignorance. You espouse a a materialist view that intentionally denies that physical systems seek desired ends. Then you engage in special pleading that a certain type of physical process, human brain function, can do so.

My statement about proximate vs ultimate meaning stands unrefuted. I made no claim about the relative value of one to the other.

So first you tell me what I think, and then you invent a problem for that thing you've told me that I think, and then you scoff at me for not solving a problem I don't know exists, in a position that I don't necessarily hold, foisted upon me by a person I've never met.

Yep, that sounds like an entirely rational justification for your claims. Rolleyes
So first you insult my reply to the OP, then I reply to your implicit argument, then you insult me again. Yep that sounds real mature. Right...
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#23
RE: Christian "purpose" and "meaning" in life.
The Christian purpose in life is to live according to a moral code they invent and justify trying to force their moral code on everybody else by citing an imaginary authority which never disagrees with anything they think or say in any way that is actually relevant.

Oh, and sometimes they have to resort to imaginary planes of existence to justify their conviction that their bullshit lives aren't entirely meaningless.
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#24
RE: Christian "purpose" and "meaning" in life.
An atheist and a Christian were childhood friends. Their parents taught them right from wrong.
They went to school and got good grades.
They each had a girlfriend in high school.
They both went to war when they turned 18.
They both married and had kids.
They both helped out others in a time of need.
They both worked for forty years and retired.
They both died in their 80's.

They both lived very similar lives, but only one of them had a purpose. ROFLOL
There is an ALLLL-knowing, ALLLL-powerful, inVISible being who is everywhere, who created the WHOLE universe, who lives in another dimension called heaven, who is perfect in every way, who was never born and will never die, and who watches you every minute of every day (even when you're squeezing one out on the toilet). There are also unicorns, leprechauns, Santa Claus, an Easter Bunny, and a giant purple people eater.

JUST BELIEVE IT!
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#25
RE: Christian "purpose" and "meaning" in life.
(April 16, 2014 at 9:38 pm)Brakeman Wrote: Why would praising an imaginary god be "admirable?"

Nonsensical questions require llogical answers and you are short of having sense yet alone common sense. Obviously the person at hand does not believe god is fictional.
You delude yourself into thinking god does not exist so I can easily tell you why do you believe in fairy tales?
Quote: If I praise Spongebob Squarepants wold you admire me for it or think I've lost my mind?
No but you are reinforcing the objectivity of the fact that you probably could not pass an SAT exam.

Quote:If my neighbor imagines a magical flying turtle and starts spending her every waking hour praising the beast-god, should I be envious of her nuttery?

No but at least she has a turtle while you are left with your inability to maintain a fully functional brain. Neuroscience may be able to help you in the future
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#26
RE: Christian "purpose" and "meaning" in life.
(April 17, 2014 at 8:57 pm)Esquilax Wrote:
(April 17, 2014 at 8:46 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: Its not an argument from ignorance. You espouse a a materialist view that intentionally denies that physical systems seek desired ends. Then you engage in special pleading that a certain type of physical process, human brain function, can do so.

My statement about proximate vs ultimate meaning stands unrefuted. I made no claim about the relative value of one to the other.

So first you tell me what I think, and then you invent a problem for that thing you've told me that I think, and then you scoff at me for not solving a problem I don't know exists, in a position that I don't necessarily hold, foisted upon me by a person I've never met.

Yep, that sounds like an entirely rational justification for your claims. Rolleyes

Sounds like your usual Chad post to me!
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#27
RE: Christian "purpose" and "meaning" in life.
(April 17, 2014 at 10:19 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: So first you insult my reply to the OP, then I reply to your implicit argument, then you insult me again. Yep that sounds real mature. Right...

Where's the insult there? You decided what my position was without so much as consulting me, and then based your entire argument around a premise you have no evidence that I believe; that's literally the thing you did. Calling you on it might make you look bad, but commentating on what actually happened isn't insulting. Perhaps if you think it impugned your reputation you should look a little closer at your own actions; I didn't ask you to demand I think a certain way, after all.

Besides, even my first post to you wasn't an insult, so much as it was highlighting the fact that your entire argument is based in an imaginary position you command everyone else to hold, and a problem that only exists if we not only agree to hold that position, but to then also agree to the existence of another unjustified concept in god, and a requirement that we need a third unjustified claim in "objective meaning" in order to be rationally consistent.

Pointing out that we aren't obligated to play your game isn't an insult, Chad.
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#28
RE: Christian "purpose" and "meaning" in life.
I see it as an indoctrination technique. "WE have true purpose and meaning in our lives, unlike the non-believers who (unless they convert) will never really know what it's like to have purpose and meaning in their lives."

It makes the cult members feel all special and superior. And it serves the purpose of retaining members. "If you abandon the faith then your life will have no purpose or meaning." It reinforces the fear of walking away.

They are actually led to believe that outsiders spend all their time moping around in a state of grim depression wishing that they had true purpose in their lives.
A mind is a terrible thing to waste -- don't pollute it with bullshit.
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#29
RE: Christian "purpose" and "meaning" in life.
(April 18, 2014 at 3:40 pm)Esquilax Wrote:
(April 17, 2014 at 10:19 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: So first you insult my reply to the OP, then I reply to your implicit argument, then you insult me again. Yep that sounds real mature. Right...

Where's the insult there? You decided what my position was without so much as consulting me, and then based your entire argument around a premise you have no evidence that I believe; that's literally the thing you did. Calling you on it might make you look bad, but commentating on what actually happened isn't insulting. Perhaps if you think it impugned your reputation you should look a little closer at your own actions; I didn't ask you to demand I think a certain way, after all.

Besides, even my first post to you wasn't an insult, so much as it was highlighting the fact that your entire argument is based in an imaginary position you command everyone else to hold, and a problem that only exists if we not only agree to hold that position, but to then also agree to the existence of another unjustified concept in god, and a requirement that we need a third unjustified claim in "objective meaning" in order to be rationally consistent.

Pointing out that we aren't obligated to play your game isn't an insult, Chad.

Then my apologies. I thought you were a materialist based on our many discussions.
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#30
RE: Christian "purpose" and "meaning" in life.
I don't get it. If an opponent insults me pejoratively, it makes me more determined. It's beneficial.
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