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RE: Argument #1: Transitional Fossils
May 3, 2014 at 5:01 pm
(May 3, 2014 at 9:25 am)Esquilax Wrote: (May 3, 2014 at 9:18 am)Revelation777 Wrote: Tell that to Ben Stein.
Ben Stein who quote mined Darwin, who misrepresented the content of his film to the atheists he interviewed, and whose film led to one of the biggest creationist quote mines ever, with his "Dawkins believes life came from aliens" crap? 
Because all that dishonesty is objectively true too, if you would bother to do any research into the background of this stuff before you assume it to be factual.
You should debate him?
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Argument #1: Transitional Fossils
May 3, 2014 at 5:10 pm
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Debates aren't a very good measure of truth value.
I'm not sure how debating a Nixon speech writer, when the Nixon speech writer has already been shown to have made fraudulent claims repeatedly, would solve anything.
In fact, this seems like a hyperbolic non-response appeal to authority: The fact that you trust Ben Stein, an actor and political speech writer's subjective personal opinion and admitted interest in denying science because he believes it is "evil," over biologists, paleontologists, educators, and international scientific consensus, speaks volumes.
If you're not interested in the facts, what's the point of debating your subjective opinion?
Might as well go stand in the middle of a freeway while posting Argument #2: Automobile Forms Do Not Exist.
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RE: Argument #1: Transitional Fossils
May 3, 2014 at 5:20 pm
(May 3, 2014 at 5:01 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: (May 3, 2014 at 9:25 am)Esquilax Wrote: Ben Stein who quote mined Darwin, who misrepresented the content of his film to the atheists he interviewed, and whose film led to one of the biggest creationist quote mines ever, with his "Dawkins believes life came from aliens" crap?
Because all that dishonesty is objectively true too, if you would bother to do any research into the background of this stuff before you assume it to be factual.
You should debate him?
What subject?
If the subject is economics, history, US law, he'd mop the floor with anyone here with his knowledge of those subjects.
If the subject is religion, I can guarantee there are people here that know more than him.
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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RE: Argument #1: Transitional Fossils
May 3, 2014 at 5:20 pm
Rev, can you at least tell us the subject of your second argument so we can decide whether it is actually worth engaging in
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RE: Argument #1: Transitional Fossils
May 3, 2014 at 5:49 pm
(May 3, 2014 at 5:01 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: (May 3, 2014 at 9:25 am)Esquilax Wrote: Ben Stein who quote mined Darwin, who misrepresented the content of his film to the atheists he interviewed, and whose film led to one of the biggest creationist quote mines ever, with his "Dawkins believes life came from aliens" crap?
Because all that dishonesty is objectively true too, if you would bother to do any research into the background of this stuff before you assume it to be factual.
You should debate him?
What qualification does this "Ben stein" have that makes him a qualified participant in a debate about science?
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RE: Argument #1: Transitional Fossils
May 3, 2014 at 9:30 pm
(May 3, 2014 at 5:01 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: You should debate him?
Why would I do that? Why would I debate a man who openly lies in defense of his faith, and what reason would I have to think he wouldn't continue to lie in a debate with me, if he would do so so readily on film? It's probably not much fun to go up against someone who'll make stuff up at the drop of a hat; maybe you should look up the "Gish gallop" to see how well that goes for people like me who are actually interested in the truth, rather than winning.
I will point out to those who have forgotten, though, that I still have a debate challenge open for you to take, Rev. That's because I don't think you're lying, at least not actively; I think you've been taken in by conmen and lack any interest in hearing how they have lied, but intellectual incuriosity and laziness isn't quite as bad a sin as outright dishonesty.
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Argument #1: Transitional Fossils
May 3, 2014 at 9:41 pm
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Honestly, after this, if argument #2 isn't a slow motion close-up looping .gif of a Bull defecating, I will be shocked.
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RE: Argument #1: Transitional Fossils
May 3, 2014 at 10:03 pm
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It's been 5 days and nearly 200 posts since you declared yourself the winner and posted Yahya's masterfarce, Rev.
What could possibly be taking you this long?
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RE: Argument #1: Transitional Fossils
May 3, 2014 at 10:46 pm
Harun Yahya, whom Rev still considers a "valid" source, despite the fact that I demonstrated that he can't tell an animal from a fishing lure designed to trick fish.
Because the guy who can't tell a living creature from a plastic one definitely knows more about biology than biologists! 
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RE: Argument #1: Transitional Fossils
May 3, 2014 at 11:07 pm
(May 3, 2014 at 5:20 pm)Bad Wolf Wrote: Rev, can you at least tell us the subject of your second argument so we can decide whether it is actually worth engaging in
Let me show you how the next thread will go without even knowing the topic:
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