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RE: Atheists choose hell
April 27, 2014 at 5:13 pm
(April 27, 2014 at 5:05 pm)Stephanie Wrote: Better than choosing to burn in hell for eternity.
If I must imagine a hell as I must also imagine a god's existence, then I suppose there could be no worse hell than that which we create for ourselves on earth. The hell we create from life itself is enough without having to imagine that there is one after life as well.
Until such proof can be provided to me, whereby I do not have to pull the veil of blind belief over my mind, then it is more logical to continue in my understanding that god and hell do not exist except in the sadly deluded minds of men.
Compliance through fear, after all, is hardly a worthy notion of engendering believers.
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RE: Atheists choose hell
April 27, 2014 at 5:14 pm
(April 27, 2014 at 4:32 pm)Stephanie Wrote: Atheists why won't you realize God allows you to CHOOSE to go to hell? He gives everyone free will to make whatever decision they so desire. Therefore he allows you to not believe in him and choose eternal damnation. God is all loving, he hates to see his children go to hell, yet for us to truly feel any happiness evil must exist and we must be allowed to choose it over good. Otherwise we would be mindless robots, not capable of joy or sadness. God gave us the greatest gift imaginable, use it as you will. And please choose God's free love gift.
If there is a god, why would he gift me with the intellect to reason he doesn't exist.
You'd think he would be a bit smarter, being a god an all that.
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RE: Atheists choose hell
April 27, 2014 at 5:14 pm
(April 27, 2014 at 5:10 pm)Stephanie Wrote: (April 27, 2014 at 5:07 pm)Beccs Wrote: Once again: It created people knowing they would go to hell for questioning. Your deity sends people to hell deliberately.
People would not worship out of fear if your deity appeared and proved that it is all-loving.
All we have right now is the bible, which shows that the deity is evil. Which is why people still worship out of fear.
So if God appeared to you you would worship him?
(April 27, 2014 at 5:06 pm)Losty Wrote: Yes it would be his fault because he is the one who made them the way they are. How thick can you be seriously. Just fuck off already.
HE DID NOT FORCE THEM TO CHOOSE HELL. THEY CHOOSE. HE MERELY GAVE THEM THE FREE WILL TO CHOOSE.
No. I would, however, believe in him.
And posting in all caps doesn't make your misinformation any more correct.
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RE: Atheists choose hell
April 27, 2014 at 5:14 pm
(April 27, 2014 at 5:12 pm)Rampant.A.I. Wrote: (April 27, 2014 at 5:06 pm)Stephanie Wrote: He revealed himself to no atheists.
So God, knowing rational people don't believe in things that lack evidence, wants people to burn in hell? Is that part of his plan?
Doesn't seem like there's a choice involved.
It is the person's fault for be so-called "rational". And his plan includes humans doing whatever they wish to (with concequence of course).
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RE: Atheists choose hell
April 27, 2014 at 5:15 pm
(April 27, 2014 at 5:10 pm)Stephanie Wrote: So if God appeared to you you would worship him?
The Greek God Apollo appeared to me in a dream. Does that mean I should regard it as evidence of Apollo's existence and start worshipping him?
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RE: Atheists choose hell
April 27, 2014 at 5:16 pm
(April 27, 2014 at 5:10 pm)Stephanie Wrote: So if God appeared to you you would worship him?
Hell no. Admit I was wrong and that he does exist. Yes. We follow the evidence around here.
Worship the sick sadistic bastard described in the buy-bull. No, just no!
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RE: Atheists choose hell
April 27, 2014 at 5:16 pm
(April 27, 2014 at 5:13 pm)Losty Wrote: (April 27, 2014 at 5:07 pm)Stephanie Wrote: Only an atheist would view such a gift so horribly.
What gift? I wasn't referring to a gift. I was laughing at the idea of a deity who wishes us to accept him out of love and not fear and yet tells us he will burn us for eternity if we don't. With the threat of hell hanging over your head how could you accept god out if anything but fear?
Because he is love and a true believer with a relationship with him can recognize that.
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RE: Atheists choose hell
April 27, 2014 at 5:16 pm
(April 27, 2014 at 5:07 pm)Stephanie Wrote: (April 27, 2014 at 5:04 pm)Losty Wrote: Love me or I will burn you for eternity! But love me bc you love me not bc you're afraid of burning for eternity...
Only an atheist would view such a gift so horribly.
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RE: Atheists choose hell
April 27, 2014 at 5:16 pm
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(April 27, 2014 at 5:10 pm)Stephanie Wrote: (April 27, 2014 at 5:07 pm)Beccs Wrote: Once again: It created people knowing they would go to hell for questioning. Your deity sends people to hell deliberately.
People would not worship out of fear if your deity appeared and proved that it is all-loving.
All we have right now is the bible, which shows that the deity is evil. Which is why people still worship out of fear.
So if God appeared to you you would worship him?
(April 27, 2014 at 5:06 pm)Losty Wrote: Yes it would be his fault because he is the one who made them the way they are. How thick can you be seriously. Just fuck off already.
HE DID NOT FORCE THEM TO CHOOSE HELL. THEY CHOOSE. HE MERELY GAVE THEM THE FREE WILL TO CHOOSE.
He created them to be the kind of people who would need evidence to believe in something. He did force them to choose by creating them. He is all powerful and all knowing right? So he used his power to create atheists knowing full well before they were ever created that they would never believe in him because he created them to be the kind of person who wouldn't believe. He made them that way so he could get off on torturing them? Because he is all loving right?
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RE: Atheists choose hell
April 27, 2014 at 5:16 pm
(April 27, 2014 at 5:13 pm)Kitanetos Wrote: (April 27, 2014 at 5:05 pm)Stephanie Wrote: Better than choosing to burn in hell for eternity.
If I must imagine a hell as I must also imagine a god's existence, then I suppose there could be no worse hell than that which we create for ourselves on earth. The hell we create from life itself is enough without having to imagine that there is one after life as well.
Until such proof can be provided to me, whereby I do not have to pull the veil of blind belief over my mind, then it is more logical to continue in my understanding that god and hell do not exist except in the sadly deluded minds of men.
Compliance through fear, after all, is hardly a worthy notion of engendering believers.
You choose to ignore the reality that he exists.
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