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Proving the Bible
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I can understand your trouble in imagining it, I used to have the same problem. I don't think we have a theory of how the energy debt is/would be repaid. Hawking did state in in Origin of the Universe that the debt would be repaid at the end of the universe but current thoughts are that the universe will go on forever and die of heat death so that obviously throws a spanner in that! Of course there is also the theory that gravitational energy is negative and exactly cancels out the debt, this would make sense as any virtual particles from the hawking radiation would have minuscule gravity of their own and therefore offset it's negative energy debt? Again only speculation based on papers read here and there..
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Copenhagen School  Religious Views: Its all bullshit to keep you handing money to the usher. (May 7, 2014 at 5:42 pm)Revelation777 Wrote:(May 6, 2014 at 10:07 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote: Save you the trouble... But god didn't write the bible and No church to my knowledge takes that position. Instead all you have is people that claim to speak to god telling that god that god told them this and they wrote it down. If you take their word at face value and back it up with circular reasoning you have no way to know if they are lying to you. Furthermore you may personal experiences based on what this text tells you, but you have no way of verifing either not these experiences are a result psychological conditioning or not while still using this circular reasoning, And the only external support you will find ultimately boils down to people in the same situation.
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day, To the last syllable of recorded time; And all our yesterdays have lighted fools The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle! Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player, That struts and frets his hour upon the stage, And then is heard no more. It is a tale Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, Signifying nothing.  (May 7, 2014 at 6:01 pm)StuW Wrote: I can understand your trouble in imagining it, I used to have the same problem. I don't think we have a theory of how the energy debt is/would be repaid. Hawking did state in in Origin of the Universe that the debt would be repaid at the end of the universe but current thoughts are that the universe will go on forever and die of heat death so that obviously throws a spanner in that! Of course there is also the theory that gravitational energy is negative and exactly cancels out the debt, this would make sense as any virtual particles from the hawking radiation would have minuscule gravity of their own and therefore offset it's negative energy debt? Again only speculation based on papers read here and there.. Hmmm I quite don't agree with the zero energy universise hypothesis. But it is still acceptable. When we talk about black holes they are extremely dense form of matter, I.e. full of positive energy. As matter is condensed form if energy. Thus it has higher gravity, Its directly proportional. And the difference of their ratio is very very large. And the energy debt is way too large to ignore if its the case. But like I said just think this way think before the thing you think was the first thing ever. It makes a logical loop in your thinking. Thus you must take something that is eternal. Anyway I read some ancient quotes by an intelligent man once that said three imp things "Science can never explain or prove God, so learn philosophy because through that you can understand him" "Pondering over essence of God makes you an atheist" "God can never be explained by any analogy" So next time I gotta keep these in mind 
 (May 7, 2014 at 5:42 pm)Revelation777 Wrote:(May 6, 2014 at 10:07 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote: Save you the trouble... This is very poe-ish of you. You understand this graphic is making fun of the ridiculous circular reasoning, and so was I, right?
"There remain four irreducible objections to religious faith: that it wholly misrepresents the origins of man and the cosmos, that because of this original error it manages to combine the maximum servility with the maximum of solipsism, that it is both the result and the cause of dangerous sexual repression, and that it is ultimately grounded on wish-thinking." ~Christopher Hitchens, god is not Great
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