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Gay rights don't compare to civil rights
May 15, 2014 at 9:54 am
Quote:On March 21, Judge Bernard Friedman of the United States District Court for the Eastern District of Michigan overturned and ruled unconstitutional the 2004 voter-approved amendment to the Michigan Constitution that defines marriage as between one man and one woman.
Judge Friedman concluded that upholding the voting rights of 2.7 million voters who voted in favor of marriage protection is not "rational."
One hundred Detroit black pastors maintain that this decision was made under the false guise that the majority of the people of Michigan are discriminating against the civil rights of lesbians and homosexuals due to their sexual orientation or preference.
"To state that marriage redefinition is in any way similar to the civil rights movement is intellectually empty, dishonest and manufactured," says minister Stacy Swimp, founder of Revive Alive Missional Ministry. "When has anyone from the LGBT demographic ever been publicly lynched, specifically excluded from moving into neighborhoods, prohibited from sitting on a jury and denied the right to sue others because of their sexual preferences?"
Pastor James Crowder, of St. Galilee Baptist Church and president of the Westside Minister's Alliance, also weighed in on the narrative of sexual orientation being a civil right.
"Judge Friedman is sanctioning the staging of a false story," Crowder says. "On stage are many actors who pretend that redefining traditional marriage is as valid as blacks fighting against the carnage of chattel slavery and the humiliation of Jim Crow. Never have I been so insulted. The curtain must be pulled down on this play of disinformation."
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RE: Gay rights don't compare to civil rights
May 15, 2014 at 10:05 am
This idiot pastor should learn more about his intellectual allies:
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RE: Gay rights don't compare to civil rights
May 15, 2014 at 10:08 am
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Like Chris Rock is fond of stating, If you are black and Christian, you must have a short memory.
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RE: Gay rights don't compare to civil rights
May 15, 2014 at 11:09 am
Wasn't that long ago Anita Bryant was publicly advocating for concentration camps for gays.
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RE: Gay rights don't compare to civil rights
May 15, 2014 at 11:18 am
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RE: Gay rights don't compare to civil rights
May 15, 2014 at 12:08 pm
As a black man, this one bothers me a lot. The idea that just because gays aren't being sprayed with fire hoses and hung from trees, it isn't a civil rights issue? Ridiculous. Come on! 
Blacks should be more sympathetic to this cause. The very same chapters in the Bible that were used to keep them in slavery are the ones that condemn homosexuality. And interracial marriage! SAME ONES! 
Civil rights issues are about scope. There are gay people being physically threatened, bullied, and harassed every day. Marriage is a right that is taken away from gays for no rational reason. 'We don't like it,' is not a valid reason to deny someone rights. Same sex marriage doesn't affect hetero-marriage in the slightest. Allowing gays to marry does not decrease the number of heterosexual people, or their desire or ability to marry each other. It does not decrease the number of children born to loving families. In fact, it creates more loving families in which children can be cared for.
Every argument that I have heard against gay marriage boils down to, 'eww.'
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RE: Gay rights don't compare to civil rights
May 15, 2014 at 12:48 pm
(May 15, 2014 at 12:08 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote: Every argument that I have heard against gay marriage boils down to, 'eww.'
Actually, there are a few, some I've taken down in this thread. That said, the non-"eww" arguments are even less solid.
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RE: Gay rights don't compare to civil rights
May 15, 2014 at 1:23 pm
Hetero marriages destroyed by gay marriage: (these are the real victims of gay marriage)
Rush Limbaugh (at least twice)
Bill O'Reilly (last one at least)
feel free to add to list
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RE: Gay rights don't compare to civil rights
May 15, 2014 at 1:25 pm
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(May 15, 2014 at 1:23 pm)vorlon13 Wrote: Hetero marriages destroyed by gay marriage: (these are the real victims of gay marriage)
Rush Limbaugh (at least twice)
Bill O'Reilly (last one at least)
feel free to add to list
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(May 15, 2014 at 12:08 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote: As a black man, this one bothers me a lot. The idea that just because gays aren't being sprayed with fire hoses and hung from trees, it isn't a civil rights issue? Ridiculous. Come on!
Blacks should be more sympathetic to this cause. The very same chapters in the Bible that were used to keep them in slavery are the ones that condemn homosexuality. And interracial marriage! SAME ONES!
Civil rights issues are about scope. There are gay people being physically threatened, bullied, and harassed every day. Marriage is a right that is taken away from gays for no rational reason. 'We don't like it,' is not a valid reason to deny someone rights. Same sex marriage doesn't affect hetero-marriage in the slightest. Allowing gays to marry does not decrease the number of heterosexual people, or their desire or ability to marry each other. It does not decrease the number of children born to loving families. In fact, it creates more loving families in which children can be cared for.
Every argument that I have heard against gay marriage boils down to, 'eww.'
The only reason I think gays may get a little better treatment then what blacks did in the early 20th century is because you can always tell a person's sexuality by looking at them like you can with race. Either way it is the same evil and ignorance that drives both.
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RE: Gay rights don't compare to civil rights
May 15, 2014 at 1:45 pm
(May 15, 2014 at 1:25 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: The only reason I think gays may get a little better treatment then what blacks did in the early 20th century is because you can always tell a person's sexuality by looking at them like you can with race. Either way it is the same evil and ignorance that drives both.
I think it has more to do with the societal effects of the civil rights movement. Overt displays of discrimination, regardless of the basis, simply aren't generally tolerated in public anymore.
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