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RE: Abortion and Global warming
May 20, 2014 at 7:18 pm
I would be interested to know how Heywood defines a 'future person'. Is it just a zygote? Or is it as Brian said? Every guy that masturbates is 'killing' millions of 'future persons' and every woman who ovulates is killing one or more 'future persons'? And for that matter, where does 'personhood' begin?
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Re: RE: Abortion and Global warming
May 20, 2014 at 7:22 pm
(May 20, 2014 at 7:18 pm)Bad Wolf Wrote: And for that matter, where does 'personhood' begin?
When God assigns a soul for the host body.
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Abortion and Global warming
May 20, 2014 at 7:27 pm
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(May 20, 2014 at 7:22 pm)KUSA Wrote: (May 20, 2014 at 7:18 pm)Bad Wolf Wrote: And for that matter, where does 'personhood' begin?
When God assigns a soul for the host body.
So it's a lot like Chiropractics.
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RE: Abortion and Global warming
May 20, 2014 at 7:38 pm
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(May 20, 2014 at 12:28 pm)Heywood Wrote: How does someone who is pro abortion justify fighting against global warming? Do not the rights and needs of the people today supersede the rights and need of future people?
Why must we pull in this bizarre global warming argument? Just tell me why can't a woman have an abortion if she regrets the embryo she made??
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RE: Abortion and Global warming
May 20, 2014 at 7:45 pm
(May 20, 2014 at 7:18 pm)Bad Wolf Wrote: , where does 'personhood' begin?
Where Christianity ends.
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RE: Abortion and Global warming
May 20, 2014 at 8:16 pm
(May 20, 2014 at 7:22 pm)KUSA Wrote: (May 20, 2014 at 7:18 pm)Bad Wolf Wrote: And for that matter, where does 'personhood' begin?
When God assigns a soul for the host body.
They can't even agree on when precisely this is. All they have are non answers to something that shouldn't even be an issue.
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RE: Abortion and Global warming
May 20, 2014 at 8:37 pm
Everyone knows that god assigns a soul the moment the spooge leaves the body.
That's why he's so damn adamant about not allowing men to jerk off.
... yeah, the soul-pressing machine was already heavily overworked by the time of King David 
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RE: Abortion and Global warming
May 20, 2014 at 9:25 pm
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(May 20, 2014 at 1:19 pm)pocaracas Wrote: How can anyone be "pro-life" and then don't give a shit about the environment nor leaving the planet in working order for the generations to come?
If you are pro-life, you should care very much about the environment and leaving the planet in working order for generations to come. The answer as to why some people are not is simple. People are not always consistent with their positions.
(May 20, 2014 at 7:38 pm)Cinjin Wrote: Why must we pull in this bizarre global warming argument? Just tell me why can't a woman have an abortion if she regrets the embryo she made??
This isn't a thread about the morality or immorality of abortion. It is a thread about consistency of positions. If we as individuals have no moral obligation to the unborn then why would we have an obligation to preserve the planet for future generations?
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RE: Abortion and Global warming
May 20, 2014 at 9:36 pm
(May 20, 2014 at 12:45 pm)Heywood Wrote: (May 20, 2014 at 12:37 pm)Minimalist Wrote: So - some woman having an abortion is your equivalent of wiping out future generations? Please pull your head out of your ass.
If women have a right not to reproduce then in principle every women could choose not to reproduce....putting an end to humanity. Why can't we present day humans simply decide that our wants and needs supersede the wants and needs of the generations that aren't yet born?
Are you going to make me have a baby if I don't want it for the good of humanity? What if I was humanities only chance?
Are you willing to make me have a baby I don't want even if I don't want it? I can change my mind, after all. I change my mind about having a baby to not having a baby. Now what?
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RE: Abortion and Global warming
May 20, 2014 at 9:43 pm
(May 20, 2014 at 12:28 pm)Heywood Wrote: Today a friend whom I argue politics with lamented that he didn't care if humans destroyed the earth but that I should since I have children.
So that got me wondering. If future generations have a right to a clean and livable earth why don't they have a right to exist? Essentially a conclusion of the pro abortion movement is that future people don't have a right to exist. The right of existence only comes into being after one is born. Well if they don't have a right to exist then they certainly don't have a right to a clean and livable earth.
How does someone who is pro abortion justify fighting against global warming? Do not the rights and needs of the people today supersede the rights and need of future people? You're wrong abortion doesn't mean future people don't have the right to exist.
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