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Gay pair to adopt children of unfit Catholic parents
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RE: Gay pair to adopt children of unfit Catholic parents
(May 27, 2014 at 7:27 pm)Stimbo Wrote:
(May 27, 2014 at 7:20 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: Similarly, I don't think that gays do have like...an instinctive desire to have children, else they'd mate with women to have them. For them, a kid is nothing more than an item of prestige, a pet.
"Look, we're gays and we are parents."
They're treated as a curiosity by many, to be honest.

Well, by you anyway.
Oh, the media publicizes them as well.
They're celebrities!
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RE: Gay pair to adopt children of unfit Catholic parents
Nope normal is defined by emotion in this sense.Unless they are abused,disadvantaged,or poor they have a normal life.Denying people based solely on the fact that they are of the same sex is a extremely lousy excuse.
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RE: Gay pair to adopt children of unfit Catholic parents
(May 27, 2014 at 8:43 pm)Mothonis_Cathicgal Wrote: Nope normal is defined by emotion in this sense.Unless they are abused,disadvantaged,or poor they have a normal life.Denying people based solely on the fact that they are of the same sex is a extremely lousy excuse.
I'm not denying a child his candy.
I'm merely stating a fact. Gay people should not be parents, merely due to the fact that they were not meant to be parents. Their type of "parenting" and "family" are do not have a place in human society, nor in nature.
If there was any type of logic behind it, I could perhaps understand. The only logic is that they want it(their excuse). They want to "have" children.
This amounts to redefining important social institutions according to the wishes of a minority that were never a part of it to begin with.

We have to reconfigure everything according to how they would wish it. Now instead of propagating the ideal of a family with a father and mother, we should think of every possible combination that can occur to us. Why? Merely because they want it. They are like children themselves, how do you expect them to look after children?

They do not even know the responsibilities. And they do not care about whatever hardships the child might face in the future.
I based my arguments on two things: the fate of the familial institution, meaning, the basis of human society and future, and the fate of children.
Most of the arguments of the opposing side only arise from mere demand.
The claims are without foundation and basis.

To be even more honest, this demand is now giving rise to whole new degeneracies. Gays buying children from less-fortunate countries, paying women to be surrogates. It is absolutely disgusting. I think that this whole madness needs to stop.
Its unethical on so many degrees that it cannot be whitewashed.
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RE: Gay pair to adopt children of unfit Catholic parents
Dammit, mehmet. I just repped you, and now you've started on this?

Dammit.
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RE: Gay pair to adopt children of unfit Catholic parents
(May 27, 2014 at 9:09 pm)rexbeccarox Wrote: Dammit, mehmet. I just repped you, and now you've started on this?

Dammit.
We're just having a little debate :/
I enjoy debating such controversial topics.
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RE: Gay pair to adopt children of unfit Catholic parents
(May 27, 2014 at 5:14 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote:
(May 26, 2014 at 5:49 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Well, you can't be sure of it, but the odds are certainly in favour of these kids being better off than they were.

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Well, if parenting is all about giving them material goods, toys, food...Perhaps, who knows. But I personally don't think that these people were ever meant to be parents.
It is not natural for a child to have two fathers.
It makes no real sense. They should be given to normal people.
Catholic or non-catholic.

Gay people are normal people. They're just different from you, just like all the other kinds of people that are different from you. And who are you to decide what a "natural" family is? There are many different types of families all over the world that produce well-rounded children. You need to re-evaluate your views if you believe there is something detrimental about being gay and/or being raised by gay people.

kılıç_mehmet Wrote:I'm not denying a child his candy.
I'm merely stating a fact. Gay people should not be parents, merely due to the fact that they were not meant to be parents. Their type of "parenting" and "family" are do not have a place in human society, nor in nature.
If there was any type of logic behind it, I could perhaps understand. The only logic is that they want it(their excuse). They want to "have" children.
This amounts to redefining important social institutions according to the wishes of a minority that were never a part of it to begin with.

We have to reconfigure everything according to how they would wish it. Now instead of propagating the ideal of a family with a father and mother, we should think of every possible combination that can occur to us. Why? Merely because they want it. They are like children themselves, how do you expect them to look after children?

They do not even know the responsibilities. And they do not care about whatever hardships the child might face in the future.
I based my arguments on two things: the fate of the familial institution, meaning, the basis of human society and future, and the fate of children.
Most of the arguments of the opposing side only arise from mere demand.
The claims are without foundation and basis.

Wow, this post is putrid.

Do you actually know any gay parents? Because I do, and they're wonderful. Their children are wonderful. Your views on gay people are horrendous. You seem to think gay people are some kind of different species instead of actual human beings. I find this bigotry sickening. Frankly, I think YOU would be an unfit parent if you were teach this tripe to impressionable children.
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RE: Gay pair to adopt children of unfit Catholic parents
(May 27, 2014 at 9:27 pm)Bittersmart Wrote:
(May 27, 2014 at 5:14 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: Well, if parenting is all about giving them material goods, toys, food...Perhaps, who knows. But I personally don't think that these people were ever meant to be parents.
It is not natural for a child to have two fathers.
It makes no real sense. They should be given to normal people.
Catholic or non-catholic.

Gay people are normal people. They're just different from you, just like all the other kinds of people that are different from you.

I'm sorry, how is it normal that a person that is supposed to impregnate females with his thing actually uses it in a fencing match with another of his ilk?

True, they're different, so different that they're engaging in abnormal forms of pleasuring themselves. Well, I'm not going to discuss their antics.

To the rest, I'll reply individually.
Quote:And who are you to decide what a "natural" family is?
Well, I've explained that in my past posts. I guess I have to repeat myself.
I base it on the only way of creating a child. Sexual union between a man and a woman. A child needs her mother's milk, and during that time, she needs the support of someone. The people that lived long ago, have come to the conclusion that it would be better if the person who sired the child would act as the support of the child that was born. He had a biological connection with the child, so he would be of course, a better choice than a complete stranger. This is how the family institution was born.

This institution does actually work fairly well, and human society has been built on this institution. Similarly, the marital institution was also based on this to secure a long-term commitment to the mother and her child.
So, who am I? I'm the child that was born from a family that I advocate as the only way to raise a child properly and efficiently.

Quote:There are many different types of families all over the world that produce well-rounded children.
There is only one type of family. That one involves the guy, the woman, and the child. This type of family has long been idealized, and is engraved in our minds.

Of course, you might perhaps cite a few fringe examples of communal families, where children are taken care by the collective in turns, but meh. They do not really see much of an application in large scale.
Quote:You need to re-evaluate your views if you believe there is something detrimental about being gay and/or being raised by gay people.
Is this where you're telling me to check my privilige?

Quote:Wow, this post is putrid.
Do you actually know any gay parents? Your views on gay people are horrendous.
No. Here, we do not have such things.
Quote:Because I do, and they're wonderful. Their children are wonderful.
Yeah? What's so wonderful about them? And how old are the children? Do you know any that have like children that are 18 or 20?
Quote:You seem to think gay people are some kind of different species instead of actual human beings.
This is irrelevant to our discussion. Under this context, I merely think that they are unfit to be parents, the same way I think that heroin-addicts are unfit to be parents.
Quote: I find this bigotry sickening. Frankly, I think YOU would be an unfit parent if you were teach this tripe to impressionable children.
Wow, going full emotional again. I was really hoping that we'd be past this by this point.

In all, I think that this gay-adoption thing is based on nothing more than supply & demand.
They merely demand this, and we're supposed to fulfill their wishes because they demand it. Yeah.
I still stand by my words that throughout history, they never had any stakes whatsoever in the familial institution, and yet here they are, claiming that they have rights to be parents, when they never were a part of the institution before. They had no real interest in it. Nowadays, we're supplying to a sexual minority with a notorious sub-culture the future of human society. Children. It is truly mind blowing how people are defending this whole ordeal.
Chilrden should be with a mother, and a father. This is how you bring forth truly healthy individuals. Straight or gay.
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RE: Gay pair to adopt children of unfit Catholic parents
(May 27, 2014 at 9:44 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote:
(May 27, 2014 at 9:27 pm)Bittersmart Wrote: Gay people are normal people. They're just different from you, just like all the other kinds of people that are different from you.

I'm sorry, how is it normal that a person that is supposed to impregnate females with his thing actually uses it in a fencing match with another of his ilk?

You do know that homosexuality has been documented in animal species all across the world, right? It's a natural thing. In social animals, there is more to interaction than "stick penis in vagina, make babies". Sexual attraction, pleasure, bonding, all of it plays a role. And some animals, humans included, bond with and/or attracted to the same gender.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ani...l_behavior

Quote:True, they're different, so different that they're engaging in abnormal forms of pleasuring themselves. Well, I'm not going to discuss their antics.

It's not abnormal when it happens all the time, in humans, and in other species. It's a natural behavior. If you don't like that, too bad. That's nature. Just because you're straight doesn't mean it's "abnormal".

Quote:To the rest, I'll reply individually.
Quote:And who are you to decide what a "natural" family is?
Well, I've explained that in my past posts. I guess I have to repeat myself.
I base it on the only way of creating a child. Sexual union between a man and a woman. A child needs her mother's milk, and during that time, she needs the support of someone. The people that lived long ago, have come to the conclusion that it would be better if the person who sired the child would act as the support of the child that was born. He had a biological connection with the child, so he would be of course, a better choice than a complete stranger. This is how the family institution was born.

There is nothing there that says that a child must have a man and a woman as a parent in order to be raised properly. It's all assumption. Family is more than your biological egg and sperm donors. Also, the gay parents that I know? They are raising their own biological children. Gay people have children, it happens all the time.

Quote:This institution does actually work fairly well, and human society has been built on this institution. Similarly, the marital institution was also based on this to secure a long-term commitment to the mother and her child.
So, who am I? I'm the child that was born from a family that I advocate as the only way to raise a child properly and efficiently.

While it may have been the most common way to raise a family, it was not the only way. Humanity has had many different versions of the family unit throughout it's history, and society didn't crumble. You are acting like someone born into a certain religion claiming that all other religions are wrong, but yours is right because that's how you've been raised.

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Quote:There are many different types of families all over the world that produce well-rounded children.
There is only one type of family. That one involves the guy, the woman, and the child. This type of family has long been idealized, and is engraved in our minds.

There are many types of family. What you describe is a 'nuclear' family, and you believe it is the "right" one, which is ridiculous. There is no "right" family. There are extended families, blended families, polygamous families, gay families, etc.

Quote:You need to re-evaluate your views if you believe there is something detrimental about being gay and/or being raised by gay people.
Is this where you're telling me to check my privilige?
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This is where I tell you to crawl out of your narrow world-view.

kılıç_mehmet Wrote:In all, I think that this gay-adoption thing is based on nothing more than supply & demand.

Do you have any proof, or is this thought based solely on your bigotry against gays?

Quote:They merely demand this, and we're supposed to fulfill their wishes because they demand it. Yeah.

Ah, I see. Your bigotry and warped view of gays. Gotcha.

Quote:I still stand by my words that throughout history, they never had any stakes whatsoever in the familial institution, and yet here they are, claiming that they have rights to be parents, when they never were a part of the institution before.

They are PEOPLE. Holy shit, they belong to families and raise their own biological children, sometimes. They are a part of families, just not the nuclear family that you hold in such high esteem. Stop acting like gay people are weirdos who want to steal other people's babies, it's insane.

Quote:They had no real interest in it. Nowadays, we're supplying to a sexual minority with a notorious sub-culture the future of human society. Children. It is truly mind blowing how people are defending this whole ordeal.

Stop speaking for gay people. You obviously know nothing about them or what they think or want or feel. And you know nothing about all the wonderful children raised by gay parents, either. Do yourself a favor and stop talking. It's embarrassing.
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RE: Gay pair to adopt children of unfit Catholic parents
(May 27, 2014 at 8:57 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: I'm not denying a child his candy.
I'm merely stating a fact.

No, you're stating your opinion - and opinions, remember, are like arseholes. Everyone has one and they're usually full of shit.

(May 27, 2014 at 8:57 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: Gay people should not be parents, merely due to the fact that they were not meant to be parents.

It's no secret that my Sam and I were trying for years to conceive children naturally. That we never managed it despite expending enough energy trying to do so to power an impressive-sized nation would strongly suggest that we were not meant to be parents. Would you deny infertile couples such as us the chance to adopt children on that basis, or is it okay because neither of us was fully gay?

(May 27, 2014 at 8:57 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: Their type of "parenting" and "family" are do not have a place in human society,

Why? Aren't same-sex partners also human? Do they not share in the society of their species?

And what, exactly, differentiates "their type of "parenting" " from any other?

(May 27, 2014 at 8:57 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: nor in nature.

I already posted links to articles detailing same-sex couplings in nature. Your argument has no legs.

(May 27, 2014 at 8:57 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: If there was any type of logic behind it, I could perhaps understand. The only logic is that they want it(their excuse).

To reiterate my earlier question: why, do you suppose, do they want it? And who are you to deny them the same basic human experiences and freedoms that 'normal' people (like you, perhaps?) exercise daily without a first thought, let alone a second?

(May 27, 2014 at 8:57 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: This amounts to redefining important social institutions according to the wishes of a minority that were never a part of it to begin with.

Hey, here's an idea: don't want a same-sex relationship? Don't fucken have one. You might not believe this, but until the day comes when armed squads arrive at your door, looking fabulous in their sleeveless pastel crop-tops, arseless black PVC pants and slingbacks, forcing you at gunpoint to marry a huge bear of a man and adopt legions of babies, you are perfectly free to run your own bigoted life the way you usually do. The world will still spin, spring will still lead into summer, shit will still stink.
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RE: Gay pair to adopt children of unfit Catholic parents
Quote:You do know that homosexuality has been documented in animal species all across the world, right? It's a natural thing. In social animals, there is more to interaction than "stick penis in vagina, make babies". Sexual attraction, pleasure, bonding, all of it plays a role. And some animals, humans included, bond with and/or attracted to the same gender.
So? Cleft lips are also fairly common in many other species. Doesn't make them less abnormal.
Natural it may be. But not all that is natural is good, nor is all that is natural normal.

Besides, I've stated the main and biologically relevant function of the reproductive male organ. Same goes for the female one.
Quote:It's not abnormal when it happens all the time, in humans, and in other species. It's a natural behavior. If you don't like that, too bad. That's nature. Just because you're straight doesn't mean it's "abnormal".
Natural or not. I never said its unnatural. I merely stated that its abnormal. Meaning, contrary to its purpose.
Quote:There is nothing there that says that a child must have a man and a woman as a parent in order to be raised properly. It's all assumption. Family is more than your biological egg and sperm donors. Also, the gay parents that I know? They are raising their own biological children. Gay people have children, it happens all the time.
Yes, because that wasn't the question. You asked me how I determined the norm for the familial institution and I answer your question.
Quote:They are raising their own biological children. Gay people have children, it happens all the time.
Since you mean like "their", I'm assuming that you refer to a couple. But since that is biologically impossible, I'm guessing that in case of lesbians one either went to a sperm bank, or in case of gays, they found a surrogate mother, and one donated his sperm to do it.
Happens all the time, right?
Quote:While it may have been the most common way to raise a family, it was not the only way. Humanity has had many different versions of the family unit throughout it's history, and society didn't crumble. You are acting like someone born into a certain religion claiming that all other religions are wrong, but yours is right because that's how you've been raised.
To be honest, I have difficulties picturing where on earth there is any other definition of a "normal" family than a father, mother and child?
As I said before, it is considered normal mainly due to the fact that a child is born only through the sexual union of two people. The logical thing would be for the child to be raised by its biological parents. Why is that so hard to accept?
In time, this has been applied to adoptions, where people that fit the above mentioned description have taken children that were not biologically related to them as their own.
Gays were never part of this.
Why do you have to force them into the institution?
Quote:here are many types of family. What you describe is a 'nuclear' family, and you believe it is the "right" one, which is ridiculous. There is no "right" family. There are extended families, blended families, polygamous families, gay families, etc.
Extended families are based on the nuclear family.
One such family type is a clan or tribe. Its a collective of smaller families, the one we just discussed.
Polygamous families are based on the same principle. The child does not have multiple mothers, it has a single mother, but many step sisters and step brothers.

Quote:This is where I tell you to crawl out of your narrow world-view.
I'm fine in my narrow hole. Here, degeneracy does not find a place to crawl into.
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