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Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler
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 (June 4, 2014 at 9:39 am)Godschild Wrote:(June 4, 2014 at 5:13 am)Stimbo Wrote: What, precisely, are the beliefs that would lead a non-believer to commit atrocities? I reiterate my dear You have nothing to offer, go back to your furniture. "The Universe is run by the complex interweaving of three elements: energy, matter, and enlightened self-interest." G'Kar-B5
 (June 4, 2014 at 9:39 am)Godschild Wrote: No absolute morality, anything goes in a Godless life.To paraphrase someone else.... You're right. There is no "ultimate" that is stopping me from murdering and raping all I want. It just so happens that the amount of murdering and raping I want to do is zero.  RE: Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler
June 4, 2014 at 9:59 am
(This post was last modified: June 4, 2014 at 10:04 am by Mystical.)
Whooo boy GC you're on a roll!
You're right, in this world --the one you and I both live in-- anything goes. On god, you can't kill. But why was that rule made in the first place? Because in a society consisting of 2 or more individuals, each and every one of us are equal and have existential rights. I have no more a right to kill you than you do me (unless I'm a Canaanite in biblical times, in which case your god said you could so it's all right, right?). How can you not see that? The justice system sees reality this way. The socially implemented justice system has concluded that murdering is not only wrong--it's punishable within the confines of our society. If you lost your faith today-- you still couldn't go killin, and I suspect you wouldn't. Because there's more reasons than "god said I'm going to hell", for a sane individual not to murder another individual.
If I were to create self aware beings knowing fully what they would do in their lifetimes, I sure wouldn't create a HELL for the majority of them to live in infinitely! That's not Love, that's sadistic. Therefore a truly loving god does not exist!
Quote:The sin is against an infinite being (God) unforgiven infinitely, therefore the punishment is infinite. Dead wrong. The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment. Quote:Some people deserve hell. I say again: No exceptions. Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it. As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong. ![[Image: tumblr_n1j4lmACk61qchtw3o1_500.gif]](https://66.media.tumblr.com/5fb74c6d16622fb3dbb358509c9aec03/tumblr_n1j4lmACk61qchtw3o1_500.gif)
 RE: Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler
June 4, 2014 at 10:55 am
(This post was last modified: June 4, 2014 at 11:07 am by Godscreated.)
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
 RE: Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler
June 4, 2014 at 11:52 am
(This post was last modified: June 4, 2014 at 11:54 am by Confused Ape.)
 Where are the snake and mushroom smilies? RE: Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler
June 4, 2014 at 12:19 pm
(This post was last modified: June 4, 2014 at 12:22 pm by Bob Kelso.)
(June 4, 2014 at 10:55 am)Godschild Wrote:Barring physical damage to my brain or a sudden chemical imbalance, there's no reason to think it won't be more of the same.(June 4, 2014 at 9:48 am)LostLocke Wrote: To paraphrase someone else.... RE: Abraham, Isaac, and a Dead Toddler
June 4, 2014 at 5:12 pm
(This post was last modified: June 4, 2014 at 5:34 pm by Godscreated.)
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
 (June 4, 2014 at 9:39 am)Godschild Wrote:(June 4, 2014 at 5:13 am)Stimbo Wrote: What, precisely, are the beliefs that would lead a non-believer to commit atrocities? So, now you're lying. The Christian version of morality seems to be highly fluid, from those who think they can do things because their interpretation of their vague book says they can, to those who pick and choose which rules apply to them, to those who think their god told them they can do things, to those who bend over backwards to justify the "actions" of their god in the OT. Honestly, if I were an all-good, all knowing deity I'd do what I could to clean up my image when my fanclub starts doing evil things in my name. Of course, many fall back on the old, "god works in mysterious ways" cliche, which we all know is a copout. It's seems the "moving in mysterious ways" equates to not moving at all.  RJA Playing Cluedo with my mum while I was at Uni: "You did WHAT? With WHO? WHERE???"  (June 4, 2014 at 5:12 pm)Godschild Wrote: God understands the lives of each person and knows what their need is even before it arises, could be He saves a Hindu so that Hindu some day may help a Christian in need. God at work my friend. What a typically arrogant and fatuous statement.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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