Something to tell a creationist.

[downbeatplumb]

My husband and I were doing our usual morning thing, me zoning and drinking coffee and he reading the paper. He started talking about these two guys at work having an argument over the earth being 6000 years old and all that other crap those creationists spew. When the creationist started talking to my husband he said the perfect thing that made that guy stop. My husband said to him "Shut up and go away." And the creationist guy did. I wish I could do that.

I have never personnally met a creationist.
I wonder how I'd react if I did?
It really is fascinating that in the 21st century bronze age beliefs persist.

[Rhizomorph13]

Tackattack,

I have had to look them up to understand what is going on here. Here are three of my selections from a quick google search.

Short lists:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_(disambiguation)
http://www.engl.niu.edu/wac/fallacies.html

Much more comprehensive but harder to digest:

http://www.logicalfallacies.info/

It is hard to keep track of them all but an easy way to stay on top of conversations here is to select the fallacy that people are speaking about and google it by itself. For example NTS or No True Scottsman fallacy has a whole page on wiki:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman

Rhizo

[tackattack]

TY that will definately help as a comprehensive list rather than constantly looking up stuff on the retort.

[Samson]

Tackattack...

Before I begin this, I just want to say that I like you already….lol…

And I apologize if I came off too harsh….Just please understand where I live (Louisiana AKA Bible Belt) of the world…Defense mode is almost bred into me by now..Especially when you're my age, a Chemist and have teenage daughters which come home on an, every other day basis, telling me of the craziness that happens to them from other High School/Middle School students in terms with “Belief”.

I don’t have much time right now to answer you back.. But I promise you I will on the rest of your post.

P.S. I never said there wasn’t a “Man” by the name of Jesus. I “Believe” there could have been, just as much as, I “Believe” the “Man” Buddha and Confucius was walking this Earth…. It’s those wonderful “TALL” tales in-between I take with a grain of salt….

[tackattack]

lol Ok awaiting your answer..

Maybe Jesus was a time traveling future man with oooooo technology for all those miracles. We'll never know until those scientists create that time machine.

[Samson]

1. Timothy is about being in slavery and how to treat your unbelieving masters. That is not a condoning of slavery, jsut an acceptance that it was the then state of things.

1 Timothy 6
1(A)All who are under the yoke as slaves are to regard their own masters as worthy of all honor so (B)that the name of God and our doctrine will not be spoken against.

2Those who have believers as their masters must not be disrespectful to them because they are ©brethren, but must serve them all the more, because those who partake of the benefit are believers and beloved (D)Teach and preach these principles.

3If anyone (E)advocates a different doctrine and does not agree with (F)sound words, those of our Lord Jesus Christ, and with the doctrine (G)conforming to godliness,

You can still be in "Gods" good grace, just so as long as you are a believer regardless that you own and can whip/beat your slaves..(Of course just so long as you do not kill them).. I'm sorry, but they had the means even back then to view slavery as an immoral act.
Yes, slavery in some societies were a bit different from what we had a couple of centuries ago in the U.S., but it was still considered slavery in terms...And regardless that this was the way things were done back then, I still see no morality in this.

2. In Ephesians perhaps too much focus is being given to "like slaves of christ" (which is a comparison) and states how you should act if you are a slave or a master.

5(E)Slaves, be obedient to those who are your masters according to the flesh, with (F)fear and trembling, in the sincerity of your heart, (G)as to Christ;

Treat your masters as you would Christ...

I agree that Jesus never preached against slavery. I think slavery has a heavy connotation in america of physical subjugation and enslavement. While he does use parables, examples and similarities with (then) current themes. Slavery, I'm sure was seen in an entirely different light then than today.

Not all regarded slavery as a "Good Thing" before their time and even after.. I do agree that it was a bit different then in comparison to now, but when the "Bible" is held by so many to be this perfect composition of morality, this needs to be brought up....

I think focusing on slavery in the teachings of Jesus is bickering over a perspective in history we have no reference for. IMO He's not saying be a good slave and master. He's saying if you are a slave/master be a good one because we're all accountable to God. Arguing that Jesus didn't preach against slavery means he condoned it has got to be some kind of fallacy, but I'm not farmiliar with the constructs of those. Help on fallacies any1?

"Jesus" throughout the Bible (NT) preached for and against many things, but Slavery was not one of them, and for that reason, is the reason it's brought up so many times.

3. "But tell that to the 45% plus here in the U.S. and especially the 99% in the South that take Revelation on it's every word" .. I do every chance I get. Luckily I have the chance to teach children about Jesus and God.

Which "Interpretation" do you teach them? Out of 38,000 branches of the Christian Sect, one's "Opinion" holds a lot of weight on Children and ignorance...

Maybe Jesus was a time traveling future man with oooooo technology for all those miracles. We'll never know until those scientists create that time machine.

I L Ron Hubbard wrote that down somewhere while pondering Scientology LOLOL...

[LEDO]

What to ask a creationist: "So you think the Flintstones is a documentary?"

At that point it is all downhill.

[Edwardo Piet]

Especially if they answer "Yes".

EvF

[Rev. Rye]

My husband and I were doing our usual morning thing, me zoning and drinking coffee and he reading the paper. He started talking about these two guys at work having an argument over the earth being 6000 years old and all that other crap those creationists spew. When the creationist started talking to my husband he said the perfect thing that made that guy stop. My husband said to him "Shut up and go away." And the creationist guy did. I wish I could do that.

Yes. If only most of us could simply tell them to shut up, as opposed to trying to explain to them points they've probably heard before but will reject out of hand.

[tackattack]

Rev. Rye I had never head of the ULC before so thank you for some new venues. I will get to you samson when I have more then 2 minutes