An unorthodox belief in God.

[ThePinsir]

Consciousness must be a spirit, as god must be one. It really has no location in the body, we just think its in our head, because we look through our eyes in retrospect, and think that we are thinking in our heads. There is nothing in the human head but skin and bones; there is no physical organ that we can call consciousness.

Consciousness is our link to god, I think the only link, and it can think for itself and misunderstand that link , kind of become a missing link. I don't view consciousness as emergent from tissue gathered over the years and explained into mental existence by scientific theory.

Again a point in gods direction.

People's personalities have shifted drastically after suffering traumatic head injury. Our personalities, our consciousnesses, and your god are all products of the human brain - a brain that has evolved over billions of years, a brain with some 100 trillion connections.

It doesn't point to a god. It points to a big, complicated brain.

Legit question for you: are you familiar with the "god of the gaps" concept??

[Fidel_Castronaut]

Consciousness must be a spirit, as god must be one. It really has no location in the body, we just think its in our head, because we look through our eyes in retrospect, and think that we are thinking in our heads. There is nothing in the human head but skin and bones; there is no physical organ that we can call consciousness.

Consciousness is our link to god, I think the only link, and it can think for itself and misunderstand that link , kind of become a missing link. I don't view consciousness as emergent from tissue gathered over the years and explained into mental existence by scientific theory.

Again a point in gods direction.

I think, Mickiel, that what you've posted there is another argument from ignorance or indeed an argument from personal incredulity.

We can evidence that the brain is what creates 'consciousness' quite simply. A person who has suffered brain death has no consciousness. A person that has suffered a stroke, or brain damage with a very obvious part of the brain being damaged or lost, can sometimes suffer a sever difference in their personality, or indeed forget 'who' they are.

If you're arguing that consciousness is some sort of evidence of a higher plane of existence then I will have to ask for evidence or deduce the claim is irresolvable and reject it.

Saying something must be because you think (want) it to be is not conducive to good debate.

[Anomalocaris]

There is nothing in the human head but skin and bones

I had to chuckle at this one. Hehe :p

There is not even that in his.

[mickiel]

No, dude. Humans are well suited for earth. Do you even science? Do you even evolution? Do you even logic?

Oh I do all those things, and have no need to imply that you do not. Secondly I believe in God because of females, either human or animal. I view reproduction as a design that was instant, or else how could two vegetable pod anti sexual beings procreate? If evolution defined includes animal to human development, what were the first two animal things like? And why must we accept there were two of them?

Was the first thingy male? How and why did a female emerge? And if imagination permits, why would they think of a thing like mating? And how long did it take before nature figured out how to design a female womb, and the process of spermodazoa just appear?

No, I think females were designed, because reproduction is just too well done, and too important for any first being to not have and expect to continue without offspring. Again a point to god.

[ThePinsir]

I've also read some interesting articles here, in one of the vegetarian threads, that a lot of animals, many more than I'd have thought, have varying degrees of consciousness. In reality, it's probably not something all that special.

I wonder if, by OP's logic, a being like Data would have a link to god lol

[Losty]

Consciousness must be a spirit, as god must be one. It really has no location in the body, we just think its in our head, because we look through our eyes in retrospect, and think that we are thinking in our heads. There is nothing in the human head but skin and bones; there is no physical organ that we can call consciousness.

Consciousness is our link to god, I think the only link, and it can think for itself and misunderstand that link , kind of become a missing link. I don't view consciousness as emergent from tissue gathered over the years and explained into mental existence by scientific theory.

Again a point in gods direction.

People's personalities have shifted drastically after suffering traumatic head injury. Our personalities, our consciousnesses, and your god are all products of the human brain - a brain that has evolved over billions of years, a brain with some 100 trillion connections.

It doesn't point to a god. It points to a big, complicated brain.

What brain? "There is nothing in the human head but skin and bones; there is no physical organ that we can call consciousness"

[mickiel]

Consciousness must be a spirit, as god must be one. It really has no location in the body, we just think its in our head, because we look through our eyes in retrospect, and think that we are thinking in our heads. There is nothing in the human head but skin and bones; there is no physical organ that we can call consciousness.

Consciousness is our link to god, I think the only link, and it can think for itself and misunderstand that link , kind of become a missing link. I don't view consciousness as emergent from tissue gathered over the years and explained into mental existence by scientific theory.

Again a point in gods direction.

People's personalities have shifted drastically after suffering traumatic head injury. Our personalities, our consciousnesses, and your god are all products of the human brain - a brain that has evolved over billions of years, a brain with some 100 trillion connections.

It doesn't point to a god. It points to a big, complicated brain.

Legit question for you: are you familiar with the "god of the gaps" concept??

I'm sorry, no I am not familiar with it.

[JesusHChrist]

There is nothing in the human head but skin and bones

I had to chuckle at this one. Hehe :p

Sounds like a good song title:

(My Head is Made of) Skin and Bones

or perhaps the name of a punk band,

Skin and Boneshead

or the name of the punk bassist:

Skinny Boneshead, AKA "Skinny"

[ThePinsir]

I will do a three second google search and post LITERALLY the first result, OK??

Again, I'd suggest you familiarize yourself with the "god of the gaps" argument. What you're doing is saying "I don't understand X, or scientists don't yet understand X completely, therefore, god did it."

If something is complicated and hard to figure out, we don't give up and say it's a miracle. The best and brightest scientists roll up their sleeves, do the research, and figure it out. What you're suggesting is intellectually lazy and an argument from ignorance, nothing more.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_o...production

BAM. Took three seconds. It's incredible what you can learn if you take the time to look, rather than using gods to fill the gaps in your knowledge.

[mickiel]

Consciousness must be a spirit, as god must be one. It really has no location in the body, we just think its in our head, because we look through our eyes in retrospect, and think that we are thinking in our heads. There is nothing in the human head but skin and bones; there is no physical organ that we can call consciousness.

Consciousness is our link to god, I think the only link, and it can think for itself and misunderstand that link , kind of become a missing link. I don't view consciousness as emergent from tissue gathered over the years and explained into mental existence by scientific theory.

Again a point in gods direction.

I think, Mickiel, that what you've posted there is another argument from ignorance or indeed an argument from personal incredulity.

We can evidence that the brain is what creates 'consciousness' quite simply. A person who has suffered brain death has no consciousness. A person that has suffered a stroke, or brain damage with a very obvious part of the brain being damaged or lost, can sometimes suffer a sever difference in their personality, or indeed forget 'who' they are.

If you're arguing that consciousness is some sort of evidence of a higher plane of existence then I will have to ask for evidence or deduce the claim is irresolvable and reject it.

Saying something must be because you think (want) it to be is not conducive to good debate.

The evidence I like using is " Civilization", excuse me for using caps again, a habit. I think some 30-50,00 years ago, god created adam, the first human he gave consciousness. Knowing that is not accepted here, lets just say whenever civilization began to emerge. I think it emerged BECAUSE god gave those humans consciousness. He did not give it fully to primordial humans.

The evidence fidel, is the obvious change in humanity, the curve it took. When primordial man basically died out after the ice age and the dawn of adam, its as if we took a dramatic left turn and exploded into a totally new direction; now we were thinking! And I think civilization is one of the evidence for consciousness, and again god.