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RE: Open to all-would you sacrifice your child if god told you to?
June 13, 2014 at 8:09 am
That story as I have said before, doesn't even make for good metaphor if one is not going to take it as a true story. It would be as sick if you wrote a Cat In The Hat story where the Cat In the Hat demanded that Thing One murdered Thing Two to prove his loyalty.
And the entire book itself is immoral. Peppering it with moments of kindness, have to be taken out of context and cherry picked to ignore that the head figure from beginning to end is still and immovable power with absolute final say, who treats humans as mere property.
Humans in that comic book at best can grovel with prayer, and he still can pick who he favors and does not need our consent, and at the end most of us will be tortured in eternity, mostly for the mere infraction of picking the wrong sky hero club, or not having one at all.
The story of Abrham is a blood oath, the same oath a Mafia Don expects from his underlings.
The gods of Abraham in all their forms have plagued humans for 5,000 years all stemming from the same polytheism from which they arose, an ever since have turned our planet into a divided petulant childish game of capture the flag, with very deadly results. The sooner humans scrap this god the quicker we can have more peace.
I am sick of Jesus vs Allah vs Yahweh. It was understandable in antiquity when humans didn't know any better. But the violence in the context of our modern knowledge of evolution and even neurology and human psychology, really pisses me off that these big three would rather blow up the planet to prove the existence of a mythological character than to GROW THE FUCK UP!
I am under no illusions they will go away. But we are not living in a period of time with climate change and the uber rich monopolizing our world's resources, that we as a species can afford to let this childish fighting distract our species from problems we need to solve before it is too late for all of us.
IN SHORT, ALL THREE OF YOU NEED TO SHUT THE FUCK UP AND GROW THE FUCK UP!
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RE: Open to all-would you sacrifice your child if god told you to?
June 14, 2014 at 9:48 pm
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(June 13, 2014 at 7:09 am)Stimbo Wrote: There is a difference though. These sons and daughters are of accountable age when they get sent out to warzones; they get the choice to decide for themselves. Child sacrifice in the sense we've been discussing involves no such choice.
Millions of child soldiers might disagree, if they were still alive to tell their tales. Even adults have very little ability to resist being sacrificed for greed.
(June 13, 2014 at 7:57 am)Chad32 Wrote: I don't really get the comparison between war and human sacrifice. Soldiers in the US are voluntary, and their job is not to run off and die in battle. Their job is to make the other soldiers die in battle.
Soldiers in the VietNam War were forced. And it was all because some politician had a bug up his butt because his business men buddies saw a chance to make some money.
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RE: Open to all-would you sacrifice your child if god told you to?
June 15, 2014 at 9:34 am
Yes I'm aware the draft used to be a thing. still, the idea wasn't to have your own side killed off. It was to defeat the other side. It's still not the same.
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RE: Open to all-would you sacrifice your child if god told you to?
June 16, 2014 at 2:13 am
Abraham was going to gut and roast Isaac because the crazy old coot wanted the loot. The politicians and bankers that start wars also want the loot and they don't care who gets gutted and roasted as long as it's not them. So from that pov the cases are the same. Get someone else to suffer or die in your place so that you can get the loot. If they survive, that's not so bad but I'm keeping all of the loot for myself and not sharing it with them. If they get killed, then I'll call them heroes and built them a mounument, as long as other people pay for it.
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RE: Open to all-would you sacrifice your child if god told you to?
June 16, 2014 at 1:45 pm
(June 16, 2014 at 2:13 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: Abraham was going to gut and roast Isaac because the crazy old coot wanted the loot. The politicians and bankers that start wars also want the loot and they don't care who gets gutted and roasted as long as it's not them. So from that pov the cases are the same. Get someone else to suffer or die in your place so that you can get the loot. If they survive, that's not so bad but I'm keeping all of the loot for myself and not sharing it with them. If they get killed, then I'll call them heroes and built them a mounument, as long as other people pay for it.
Oh boy, this is just as delusional as a theist believing in a god. Humans evolved to seek out resources and will always compete for those resources. We are part of evolution and one species in evolution, but we are NOT above evolution.
Now while there is a selfish side of our species which you can rightfully point out, you should not be so delusional as to think all conflict can be avoided always on a planet of 7 billion. The only thing that is reasonable is to work to preventing monopolies of power and abuse of power.
Humans are diverse and will have different desires, you will not change that. But anything humans do both public and private, be it business, religion or politics, all require the same thing to grow, get power and maintain power. MONEY. Anything left to it's own devices can become abusive.
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RE: Open to all-would you sacrifice your child if god told you to?
June 16, 2014 at 2:51 pm
People will always test their boundaries. Originally this country passed laws and wrote papers in an effort to restrict both government and religion. Now look where we are. Give people an inch, and they'll take a mile.
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RE: Open to all-would you sacrifice your child if god told you to?
June 16, 2014 at 3:30 pm
(June 8, 2014 at 10:13 am)vodkafan Wrote: I have posted this poll as open to all, but I am expecting that only religious members will answer in the affirmative. If you received a message in your head that you were sure was god , telling you to kill your child , would you do it? I doubt it.
Quote:We are told that Abraham was the sort of believer that God wanted. Do you come up to scratch?
No, I don't.
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RE: Open to all-would you sacrifice your child if god told you to?
June 16, 2014 at 3:48 pm
(June 16, 2014 at 3:30 pm)alpha male Wrote: (June 8, 2014 at 10:13 am)vodkafan Wrote: I have posted this poll as open to all, but I am expecting that only religious members will answer in the affirmative. If you received a message in your head that you were sure was god , telling you to kill your child , would you do it? I doubt it.
Quote:We are told that Abraham was the sort of believer that God wanted. Do you come up to scratch?
No, I don't.
Happy for you that you can at least question the necessity of infanticide in your own family to appease the god you worship. Gawd forbid that your god ever decides to subject you to the trials of Job either.
I only hope your hesitation isn't based on your expectation of fair and loving treatment from that god of yours. That dude is at least inconsistent if not flat out murderously bat-shit crazy.
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RE: Open to all-would you sacrifice your child if god told you to?
June 16, 2014 at 3:56 pm
(June 16, 2014 at 3:48 pm)whateverist Wrote: Happy for you that you can at least question the necessity of infanticide in your own family to appease the god you worship. It's not that I would question it. If I were sure it was god speaking, then it would be correct obey. I just don't think I could do it emotionally.
Quote:Gawd forbid that your god ever decides to subject you to the trials of Job either.
Amen to that. God took me from self-inflicted misery and has given me a wonderful life. I don't want to go back.
Quote:I only hope your hesitation isn't based on your expectation of fair and loving treatment from that god of yours. That dude is at least inconsistent if not flat out murderously bat-shit crazy.
I don't want fair treatment. I don't deserve the life I have. Fair treatment would be worse than my current situation.
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RE: Open to all-would you sacrifice your child if god told you to?
June 16, 2014 at 4:03 pm
(June 16, 2014 at 3:56 pm)alpha male Wrote: I don't want fair treatment. I don't deserve the life I have. Fair treatment would be worse than my current situation.
So you're a submissive? How kinky.
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