Examples of the atrocities caused by Christianity

[Rampant.A.I.]

[quote='Theonewhoanswersyourquestions' pid='685521' dateline='1402421516']
I feel since I'm the rules it states were not allowed to derogate your beliefs you shouldn't be able to insult ours. If I were to say open your eyes look around and see all the proof of God, or give God a chance, I'd be reported or punished more likely, yet you have all the right to directly insult ME as a person, I feel that is way unfair

You're kidding, right?



You actively sought out an atheist forum, and are whining about persecution because you chose to post there, and no one agrees with your opinion, or gives your beliefs special status so you can denigrate the beliefs of the group you actively sought out?

[Theonewhoanswersyourquestions]

I don't know how many times this needs to be said before you understand, God give us the free will to do what we want, but since we are flawed in sinned, out body I flawed also, it is not Gods will that the children were harmed or that the insane woman harmed these children, it is the work of Satan in his meddling, so people like you continue to believe that the Christian religion is a terrible thing, we don't just slap every bad thing that happens in this world with a label, God does not cause these things a dearly hopes it does not, God does not intervene with our free will, except by giving us signs of his love, and hopefully you take these signs and do the right thing with them, still I don't know what this post has to do with God, the fact that he did not intervene? We'll bad things happen in this world and it is the fault of man.

(emphasis mine)

The bolded parts are not compatible. You first say that God gave us free will, then you go on to say that he's not responsible for the actions taken by said free will. Why? If he hadn't given us free will, would we be doing evil?

Since Christians love parent-child analogies so much when describing God's methods, let me give you an analogy. Lets say I put a cup of poison directly in reach of my two-year old. I tell her not to drink it, but I leave it out there all the time, 24-7, and do nothing to stop her from drinking it. Who is at fault if she drinks it? Will any adults blame her and not me?


On a side note, Theonewhoanswersyourquestions, what is the point of free will? Why do we have it? What does Almighty God gain from us being able to make choices as opposed to not being able to make them? What does he gain from us being able to make terrible choices?

That is a terrible analogy because God does not directly put harm in our way, if God did the it would be his fault, but since we cause our own harm, it is then our fault, and God doesn't get anything from our free will, other than the joy that some of us choose to worship him. God does not do things out if his benefit, but of ours, let's look at this, what country do you live in? Do you live in one of the free countries like America, Britain, or do you live countries like Iran or North Korea, where you are forced to live your life the way the leader wants. Obviously the free county because you're on this site, but which one would you rather? God's main choices go towards our happiness, he looks out for us not himself

[Cato]

That is a terrible analogy because God does not directly put harm in our way, if God did the it would be his fault, but since we cause our own harm, it is then our fault, and God doesn't get anything from our free will, other than the joy that some of us choose to worship him. God does not do things out if his benefit, but of ours, let's look at this, what country do you live in? Do you live in one of the free countries like America, Britain, or do you live countries like Iran or North Korea, where you are forced to live your life the way the leader wants. Obviously the free county because you're on this site, but which one would you rather? God's main choices go towards our happiness, he looks out for us not himself

You do understand God's special book pretty much contradicts all of this; therefore, it's reasonable to conclude you're just making shit up.

[rexbeccarox]

Theonewhoanswersyourquestions... what an egotistical user name!

So, answer me this: if we want to get to your hypothetical heaven, aren't we forced to live our lives the way Yahweh wants? What's the difference?

[Rampant.A.I.]

(emphasis mine)

The bolded parts are not compatible. You first say that God gave us free will, then you go on to say that he's not responsible for the actions taken by said free will. Why? If he hadn't given us free will, would we be doing evil?

Since Christians love parent-child analogies so much when describing God's methods, let me give you an analogy. Lets say I put a cup of poison directly in reach of my two-year old. I tell her not to drink it, but I leave it out there all the time, 24-7, and do nothing to stop her from drinking it. Who is at fault if she drinks it? Will any adults blame her and not me?


On a side note, Theonewhoanswersyourquestions, what is the point of free will? Why do we have it? What does Almighty God gain from us being able to make choices as opposed to not being able to make them? What does he gain from us being able to make terrible choices?

That is a terrible analogy because God does not directly put harm in our way,

Except for that one time in the Garden of Eden, where he set a trap to justify eternal punishment.

if God did the it would be his fault, but since we cause our own harm, it is then our fault, and God doesn't get anything from our free will, other than the joy that some of us choose to worship him.

Creating a race of beings to worship God wasn't enough: They will be tortured for eternity if they don't.

God does not do things out if his benefit, but of ours, let's look at this, what country do you live in? Do you live in one of the free countries like America, Britain, or do you live countries like Iran or North Korea, where you are forced to live your life the way the leader wants.

I'm sorry, do you really not see the parallel between life in a dictatorship with time limits, and a dictatorship in which you will be tortured for eternity for not living life the way your leader wants?

Obviously the free county because you're on this site, but which one would you rather? God's main choices go towards our happiness, he looks out for us not himself

A being that gives created beings free will, and then demands they live by specific rules contrary to their basic human nature, and worship him for all eternity is not acting altruistically.

[Theonewhoanswersyourquestions]

That is a terrible analogy because God does not directly put harm in our way, if God did the it would be his fault, but since we cause our own harm, it is then our fault, and God doesn't get anything from our free will, other than the joy that some of us choose to worship him. God does not do things out if his benefit, but of ours, let's look at this, what country do you live in? Do you live in one of the free countries like America, Britain, or do you live countries like Iran or North Korea, where you are forced to live your life the way the leader wants. Obviously the free county because you're on this site, but which one would you rather? God's main choices go towards our happiness, he looks out for us not himself

You do understand God's special book pretty much contradicts all of this; therefore, it's reasonable to conclude you're just making shit up.

Have you ever even read the bible? And before to ask me this I'll tell you: yes multiple times through and through. And the bible does not contradict my sayings, you are in fact the one making stuff up, since you seem to think the Bible contradicts me, once you actually read the bible, and research what it means, then you may TRY to use it against me

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That is a terrible analogy because God does not directly put harm in our way,

Except for that one time in the Garden of Eden, where he set a trap to justify eternal punishment.

if God did the it would be his fault, but since we cause our own harm, it is then our fault, and God doesn't get anything from our free will, other than the joy that some of us choose to worship him.

Creating a race of beings to worship God wasn't enough: They will be tortured for eternity if they don't.

God does not do things out if his benefit, but of ours, let's look at this, what country do you live in? Do you live in one of the free countries like America, Britain, or do you live countries like Iran or North Korea, where you are forced to live your life the way the leader wants.

I'm sorry, do you really not see the parallel between life in a dictatorship with time limits, and a dictatorship in which you will be tortured for eternity for not living life the way your leader wants?

Obviously the free county because you're on this site, but which one would you rather? God's main choices go towards our happiness, he looks out for us not himself

A being that gives created beings free will, and then demands they live by specific rules contrary to their basic human nature, and worship him for all eternity is not acting altruistically.

God did not put the tree there as a trap, it was there to store where the knowledge of sin would be, God had to put it somewheres

And do you realize that if a citizen of North Korea were even to speak out against Kim, he's be killed on the spot? God gives is multiple chances to repent for our sins, and I hope you're just ignorant about those type of countries, and not actually trying to protect then

Yes, he gives is rules to live by, and if you disobey those rules it is your fault, you're starting to sound very condescending here, are you running out of things to say?

And I really don't see the problem with worshipping God, do you know how to worship? Prayer is a form of worship, singing in church is a form of worship, just saying every once and a while "wow God, you're amazing". That is worship and that's all he wants, but he does not force us to worship

[Jackalope]

I feel since I'm the rules it states were not allowed to derogate your beliefs you shouldn't be able to insult ours.

Really? Where does it say that?

[Cato]

I feel since I'm the rules it states were not allowed to derogate your beliefs you shouldn't be able to insult ours.

Really? Where does it say that?

Same place all his/her touchy feely versions of God exist; in his/her imagination.

[Ryantology]

That is a terrible analogy because God does not directly put harm in our way, if God did the it would be his fault, but since we cause our own harm, it is then our fault, and God doesn't get anything from our free will, other than the joy that some of us choose to worship him.

He doesn't put harm in our way? So, natural disasters are regrettable but he can do nothing about them? He has no ability to stop or prevent blameless accidents? Babies who starve to death or die from abuse deserve it because they made poor choices with their free will?

God does not do things out if his benefit, but of ours, let's look at this, what country do you live in? Do you live in one of the free countries like America, Britain, or do you live countries like Iran or North Korea, where you are forced to live your life the way the leader wants. Obviously the free county because you're on this site, but which one would you rather? God's main choices go towards our happiness, he looks out for us not himself

If God's primary desire was to see us happy, then the only rules he would have would be to prevent direct harm or threat. But instead of rules prohibiting rape, child molestation and slavery, he gave us rules against eating pork, having sex with consenting adults of the same gender, and picking up sticks on a certain day of the week.

So, kindly stuff it with that bullshit. It's wrong and we all know it.

[RobbyPants]

That is a terrible analogy because God does not directly put harm in our way, if God did the it would be his fault, but since we cause our own harm, it is then our fault,

It's a very good analogy. You said explicitly that we have free will because God gave it to us, and it's up to us to not do bad things. If I give my daughter poison, it's up to her to not drink it... yet everyone would still blame me because I put the poison there. If I hadn't put it there, she couldn't have drank it (making a poor choice).

If God didn't put the free will there, we couldn't have made poor choices.

and God doesn't get anything from our free will, other than the joy that some of us choose to worship him.

So, the reason we're given the choice whether or not to rape each other is so Almighty God can get joy from those who choose not to?

Holy crap that is creepy! The whole justification for the Problem of Evil is "God wants joy"? Theonewhoanswersyourquestions, can Almighty God obtain joy in ways other than watching us make good decisions?

God does not do things out if his benefit, but of ours, let's look at this, what country do you live in? Do you live in one of the free countries like America, Britain, or do you live countries like Iran or North Korea, where you are forced to live your life the way the leader wants. Obviously the free county because you're on this site, but which one would you rather? God's main choices go towards our happiness, he looks out for us not himself

Now, this is a bad analogy. You see, you're contrasting freedom with suffering, yet, outside of your apologetics... that's not the case. Going on your analogy, can you prove that there is more suffering in the free countries than in the not free ones? If the basis for free will is "we need to be able to make choices, which can lead to suffering", then the countries that are more free should have more suffering. I doubt that's the case.

Even still, I see where you're going with this, and it's pure speculation. Can you prove we wouldn't be happy if we were completely incapable of making choices? It's an entirely alien concept and there's no way to test that claim.

On a related note: are people allowed to sin in heaven? If no, then you're apparently cool with an eternity of no free will, which invalidates your complaints. If yes, then it seems that there would be suffering in heaven. If you say that we have free will, but we never make bad choices in heaven, then why isn't it like that on Earth?