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RE: Red pill or blue?
June 15, 2014 at 6:31 am
Of course Neo's choice didn't include the grisly details of the utopian world he'd get if he picked red. It was simply a choice between the truth and a dream.
If I had Neo's choice I'd definitely go with red. I've always been motivated to understand what 'this' is that we're experiencing. Hell I'd jump at the opportunity.
But if I was forewarned that the truth would be uncomfortable, ugly and require massive heroic effort .. well then I don't know. First I would probably be suspicious as I am with all conspiracy/things-are-not-what-they-seem scenarios.
If they managed to convince me of the nature of the reality I'd be getting, then I might have to go with choice C. They'd never convince me that I was the messiah and I do like my creature comforts.
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RE: Red pill or blue?
June 15, 2014 at 9:43 am
Red, out of sheer curiosity and the realization that it is probably the better choice. If I'm remembering the film, by the time Neo is offered the choice, he is well aware that some crazy shit is going on. He's experienced having his mouth disappear(!) while a parasite bloodlessly enters his belly, he's been guided through an office by a guy who couldn't possibly be able to see all of the obstacles that he helps Neo to avoid, he has had the parasite bloodlessy removed by some strange freedom-fighter types who seem at least to be trying to help him (unlike the agents). After all of that, the choice is what the movie intends: are you going to take hold of your life and shape your own fate, or would you prefer that someone else do it for you while you hang there like a docile puppet?
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RE: Red pill or blue?
June 15, 2014 at 9:46 am
(June 15, 2014 at 9:43 am)Tonus Wrote: Red, out of sheer curiosity and the realization that it is probably the better choice. If I'm remembering the film, by the time Neo is offered the choice, he is well aware that some crazy shit is going on. He's experienced having his mouth disappear(!) while a parasite bloodlessly enters his belly, he's been guided through an office by a guy who couldn't possibly be able to see all of the obstacles that he helps Neo to avoid, he has had the parasite bloodlessy removed by some strange freedom-fighter types who seem at least to be trying to help him (unlike the agents). After all of that, the choice is what the movie intends: are you going to take hold of your life and shape your own fate, or would you prefer that someone else do it for you while you hang there like a docile puppet?
Eww wtf kind of movie is this anyways?
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RE: Red pill or blue?
June 15, 2014 at 9:52 am
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(June 15, 2014 at 9:46 am)Losty Wrote: Eww wtf kind of movie is this anyways? Pretty good dystopian sci-fi film. I recommend it, the first one anyway. The two that follow are really bad, as they decided to go heavy on the digital kung-fu and the story became so convoluted and strange that you simply give up on it, and the action scenes simply aren't good enough to make up for it.
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RE: Red pill or blue?
June 15, 2014 at 12:28 pm
I'm one of those crazy people who found the Matrix quite, um... boring.
It really seemed like it was nothing more than a showcase for that new technology of the stop motion.
The 'story' was, meh.
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RE: Red pill or blue?
June 15, 2014 at 12:33 pm
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RE: Red pill or blue?
June 15, 2014 at 12:36 pm
As long as Zion has alcohol or pot, I would be more than happy to make peace with my choice to live in their shitty world.
That or having access to the machine land. Oh the wonders you can do with software...
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RE: Red pill or blue?
June 15, 2014 at 2:23 pm
(June 15, 2014 at 9:52 am)Tonus Wrote: Pretty good dystopian sci-fi film. I recommend it, the first one anyway. The two that follow are really bad, as they decided to go heavy on the digital kung-fu and the story became so convoluted and strange that you simply give up on it, and the action scenes simply aren't good enough to make up for it.
Seriously? I thought the sequels were just as awesome...
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RE: Red pill or blue?
June 15, 2014 at 3:07 pm
The overall story is rubbish sadly. The back-story/prologue is decent, the sequels however, botched up its delivery and weaving it all into the narrative.
All Neo had to do was understand that machines were actually looking out for us, they even tried to make the Matrix a paradise for us after we had all but destroyed our own planet's biosphere.
The architect bumbled these facts though through torrents of fanciful words and techno-babble.
The message was simple: humans need machines, machines need humans. Unplug everyone from the matrix, and watch as billions of humans kill each other for what little remains. Wipe out humans, and the machines rot away, having no purpose, duty or responsibility anymore. Yet two sequels couldn't establish this premise properly.
Heck, the bowels of Zion has machines running in there just to keep everyone alive.
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RE: Red pill or blue?
June 15, 2014 at 3:10 pm
Yeah, they should've just made the first movie. Everything else was cheap money milking. The sequels plot is like those old Van Damme movies.
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