Spare the rod, spoil the child

[John V]

I think it's simplistic to say spanking bad or spanking good. It depends on the overall relationship, the age of the child, and other factors.

[FatAndFaithless]

I think it's simplistic to say spanking bad or spanking good. It depends on the overall relationship, the age of the child, and other factors.

Nope. Striking your children is just plain bad. Plenty of ways to teach them something without violence.

[Napoléon]

Conversely, we don't put children down for biting other children. What is applicable to a dog is not necessarily applicable to a human being.

Missing the point completely.

Obviously we don't feed kids dog food. Fucking no brainer.

The same principle does apply in this instance however, we're talking about a child/dog learning behaviour. Learned behaviour is similar in most mammals, not just dogs and kids.

You should really look at this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operant_conditioning

These principles count for both dogs and children. So don't try and discredit what I'm saying with something so stupid.

[Napoléon]

I think it's simplistic to say spanking bad or spanking good.

It's not simplistic. It's fact. Spanking is harmful to fucking children. The people who deny this are being as ignorant in ignoring the evidence as people are when they deny evidence for evolution.

[The Grand Nudger]

Well, maybe if they refused to eat their cereal, we could put a plate of dog food in front of them until they did. That's a good link, btw. Spanking is less harmful to my child than the behaviors which I choose to spank them for. Massively so.

Nope. Striking your children is just plain bad. Plenty of ways to teach them something without violence.

Sure...sure.......I could put their hand in a fire (lovingly, of course). Or, and I'm just spitballing here, I could slap the shit out of their hand when they reach for a flame. I'll hurt em a little to keep them from hurting themselves alot.

[Jacob(smooth)]

I think it's simplistic to say spanking bad or spanking good.

It's not simplistic. It's fact. Spanking is harmful to fucking children. The people who deny this are being as ignorant in ignoring the evidence as people are when they deny evidence for evolution.

Wow. That's an almost religious level of zeal!

By all means, show me this evidence.

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I think it's simplistic to say spanking bad or spanking good. It depends on the overall relationship, the age of the child, and other factors.

Bizarrely, I have to agree.

[The Grand Nudger]

It's just a tool, and like any tool there are times when it is effective and times when it is not. Also, just like any other tool, there are times that you -could- use it, but some other tool does the job just as well with less effort/less waste/less damage. Some people beat their children. They beat them senseless and for no reason whatsoever (or at least, no reason that I wouldn't strangle them for). I don't think that anyone who spanks their kid is arguing that breaking some kids nose is a good way to get him to stop wetting the bed. If they are, fine...fuck em - but I don't want to hear any bitching from that corner when cps shows up, you know? Maybe breaking his nose did stop his bedwetting, I don't care, neither do the rest of us, right? None of us hang our hats on whether or not it works (and that's good...because brutality does work, it will establish control, we break at some point dogs and people both).

Whats the point of these threads if we're going to take cartoonish positions of absolutism? How many pages of amens do we have to see before we all agree that we all already agreed that spanking is bad, forever and ever, in any circumstance?

[Jenny A]

It's not simplistic. It's fact. Spanking is harmful to fucking children. The people who deny this are being as ignorant in ignoring the evidence as people are when they deny evidence for evolution.

Wow. That's an almost religious level of zeal!

By all means, show me this evidence.

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I think it's simplistic to say spanking bad or spanking good. It depends on the overall relationship, the age of the child, and other factors.

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Bizarrely, I have to agree.

Why bizarrely? I'm trying to see how religion factors into this at all and failing unless it's because we think that all Christians and Jews take "spare the rod and spoil the child" as a commandment to go forth and spank.

I don't think spanking is usually a good method. But occasionally, not often, spanking is the best method. And there are parents who use it more than necessary without crossing the line and becoming monsters. Would that we all became perfect with parenthood.

[Losty]

I don't ever think these threads are a good idea. They stress me out and yet I'm drawn back to them.


Also, about the fire thing, seriously constant vigilance is necesarry when you have young kids around fire (I'm sure you'd agree as otherwise you'd be incapable of lapping your kid's hand when they reach out for it), so I just pull them back when they get too close and explain in the simplest way I can that it can hurt them. My youngest daughter (20 months) understands hurt and ow.

[Jacob(smooth)]

Wow. That's an almost religious level of zeal!

By all means, show me this evidence.

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Bizarrely, I have to agree.

Why bizarrely? I'm trying to see how religion factors into this at all and failing unless it's because we think that all Christians and Jews take "spare the rod and spoil the child" as a commandment to go forth and spank.

I don't think spanking is usually a good method. But occasionally, not often, spanking is the best method. And there are parents who use it more than necessary without crossing the line and becoming monsters. Would that we all became perfect with parenthood.

Bizarrely because alpha male and I do not have a strong history of agreeing with each other. Also because it's generally the religious types who take absolute "it's just WRONG" type positions.

I agree with the rest of your post 100%. Parenthood Is simple... Until you have to do it. It's a well known truth that in medicine it's very unwise to treat your own children. You have no objectivity. That's why gps take their kids to other gps. And why I so often find myself thinking "shit, could have done that better. It's easy to raise other people's kids!