Nuclear Iran a bigger threat than ISIS

[Violet]

Farking hell. Plenty of atheist looney tunes here too. Can't discriminate between real and imagined threats to save their lives. Eloi, all of you.

Everything is real. Accept reality and get real, or deny it and be a real pain in your own left ankle.

Or don't accept standard logic in the first place, in which case everything is out the window and through the woods to grandmother's grave we go marching down the hall with the saints of LA inside an octopuses' garden in the shade of a lemon tree where you mourn your foolish loving ways and accept the rule of the Planet of the Apes without tails (though they also are apes with tails, because why not) and plumb the sewers for cheese crumbs predigested by our elephant overlords from Mars with their hooker girlfriends smoking crack until it comes out their crack with a crack like a lobster is being crushed by a crack team of dancing robot unicorns of the rainbow variety that happen to be pirates, poachers, AND cheese-eaters, SIR!

[Mystic]

The Muslim view is that the earth has already been full of oppression and injustice. They aren't waiting for the earth to be filled with injustice and oppression, they are waiting for things to get better. In the case of Shia Muslims, they believe you got to prepare the world to be a better place where people will strive to stand up for justice and accept the truth, they seek to make it better for the appearance to be sooner rather then later. At the end, no one knows how long it will take per Shia tradition, for all they know it can be another 1000 years or 2000 years or whatever before Imam Mahdi comes.

And the hadiths about the world being filled with injustice and oppression before Imam Mahdi rule is in Sunni hadiths. There is no difference with regards to this in either Sunni or Shia hadiths.

No one is seeking suicide for their people. Iranians don't believe in using nukes. Their scholars have forbidden nuclear weapons.

[Marsellus Wallace]

The Muslim view is that the earth has already been full of oppression and injustice. They aren't waiting for the earth to be filled with injustice and oppression, they are waiting for things to get better. In the case of Shia Muslims, they believe you got to prepare the world to be a better place where people will strive to stand up for justice and accept the truth, they seek to make it better for the appearance to be sooner rather then later. At the end, no one knows how long it will take per Shia tradition, for all they know it can be another 1000 years or 2000 years or whatever before Imam Mahdi comes.

And the hadiths about the world being filled with injustice and oppression before Imam Mahdi rule is in Sunni hadiths. There is no difference with regards to this in either Sunni or Shia hadiths.

No one is seeking suicide for their people. Iranians don't believe in using nukes. Their scholars have forbidden nuclear weapons.

Muslims want peace ? Muslims want good for the world ? How vague your assumptions are ? Aren't you gonna get into details of how they plan to reach their goals ?!!!

Only when something like an american embassy siege happens,or a large group of tourists get slaughtered,or another 9/11, we then remember how brutal, unmerciful and non-tolerant Muslims are . And then some hippies come along and say the old say : "Its not Islam, they're just a few extremists" .

[mralstoner]

And the hadiths about the world being filled with injustice and oppression before Imam Mahdi rule is in Sunni hadiths. There is no difference with regards to this in either Sunni or Shia hadiths.

Another misleading lullaby to send us all to sleep.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahdi

Belief in the Mahdi is more prevalent in Shi'ite Islam...

Influence and consequences

Contrasting to Sunnism, where certainty in the Mahdi, although it existed, never developed into a vital article of the faith, in Shiʿism overall, and Twelver Imamism specifically, it is a constitutive doctrine of Shiite spiritual dogma, its dualist image of the world and more exactly his return marks the commencement of the “place of return” or the henceforth...

In Shia Islam "the Mahdi symbol has developed into a powerful and central religious idea." Twelver Shi`i Muslims believe that the Mahdi is the son of Narjis, and is the Twelfth Imam, who was born in 869 and was hidden by God at the age of five (874). He is still alive but has been in occultation, "awaiting the time that God has decreed for his return," When it comes he promised that no one who wanted happiness would be denied and no one who had believed will be left behind.

Portents

According to Moojan Momen, among the most commonly reported signs that presage the advent of the Mahdi in Shia Islam are the following:

* The vast majority of people who profess to be Muslim will be so only in name despite their practice of Islamic rites and it will be they who make war with the Mahdi.

* Before his coming will come the red death and the white death, killing two thirds of the world's population. The red death signifies violence and the white death is plague. One third of the world's population will die from the red death and the other third from the white death. Several figures will appear: the one-eyed Antichrist (Masih ad-Dajjal), the Al-Harth, Al-Mansur, Shuaib bin Saleh and the Sufyani.

* There will be a great conflict in the land of Syria, until it is destroyed.

* Death and fear will afflict the people of Baghdad and `Iraq. A fire will appear in the sky and a redness will cover them.

And you want to trust these lunatics with nuclear weapons?

[Mystic]

And the hadiths about the world being filled with injustice and oppression before Imam Mahdi rule is in Sunni hadiths. There is no difference with regards to this in either Sunni or Shia hadiths.

Another misleading lullaby to send us all to sleep.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahdi

Belief in the Mahdi is more prevalent in Shi'ite Islam...

Influence and consequences

Contrasting to Sunnism, where certainty in the Mahdi, although it existed, never developed into a vital article of the faith, in Shiʿism overall, and Twelver Imamism specifically, it is a constitutive doctrine of Shiite spiritual dogma, its dualist image of the world and more exactly his return marks the commencement of the “place of return” or the henceforth...

In Shia Islam "the Mahdi symbol has developed into a powerful and central religious idea." Twelver Shi`i Muslims believe that the Mahdi is the son of Narjis, and is the Twelfth Imam, who was born in 869 and was hidden by God at the age of five (874). He is still alive but has been in occultation, "awaiting the time that God has decreed for his return," When it comes he promised that no one who wanted happiness would be denied and no one who had believed will be left behind.

Portents

According to Moojan Momen, among the most commonly reported signs that presage the advent of the Mahdi in Shia Islam are the following:

* The vast majority of people who profess to be Muslim will be so only in name despite their practice of Islamic rites and it will be they who make war with the Mahdi.

* Before his coming will come the red death and the white death, killing two thirds of the world's population. The red death signifies violence and the white death is plague. One third of the world's population will die from the red death and the other third from the white death. Several figures will appear: the one-eyed Antichrist (Masih ad-Dajjal), the Al-Harth, Al-Mansur, Shuaib bin Saleh and the Sufyani.

* There will be a great conflict in the land of Syria, until it is destroyed.

* Death and fear will afflict the people of Baghdad and `Iraq. A fire will appear in the sky and a redness will cover them.

And you want to trust these lunatics with nuclear weapons?

I've been Shia for most of my life. The white death and red death is one hadith. One and it's not even authentic.

There is all sorts of signs but none of them are definitely known or doctrinal.

The Shias don't advocate in making the world a worse place. They believe in trying it make the best possible place as the reason for the the non-appearance of the Imam is due to the world not being ready.

It's as important belief for Sunnis to believe in Imam Mahdi as it is for Shias, because it's mutuwatir in both sources. Both have narrated with numerous chains and both believe in it.

Talking about whether it is an article of faith or not is a matter of semantics, as Sunni scholars have made it clear one cannot deny the Mahdi and rely on hadiths at the same time as that would be inconsistent.

[Thumpalumpacus]

And then some hippies come along and say the old say : "Its not Islam, they're just a few extremists" .

The fact is that the vast majority of Muslims are not extremists -- just as the vast majority of any sect are in the middle of the bell-curve, as should be expected.

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And you want to trust these lunatics with nuclear weapons?

Might you care to reply to my point made upthread, or shall you continue to pretend it wasn't made?

[Mystic]

This is taken from Islamic Government by Imam Khomeini which was a series of lectures by him recorded in a form of a book.

It is our duty to preserve Islam. This duty is one of the most important obligations incumbent upon us; it is more necessary even than prayer and fasting. It is for the sake of fulfilling this duty that blood must sometimes be shed. There is no blood more precious than that of Imām Husayn (‘a), yet it was shed for the sake of Islam, because of the precious nature of Islam. We must understand this matter well and convey it to others. You can be the true successors to the Prophet (s) as the guardians of Islam only if you teach Islam to the people; do not say, “We will wait until the coming of the Imām of the Age (‘a).” Would you consider postponing your prayer until the coming of the Imām? The preservation of Islam is even more important than prayer. Do not follow the logic of the governor of Khumayn49 who used to say, “We must promote sin so that the Imām of the Age (‘a) will come. If sin does not prevail, he will not manifest himself!”50

[Lemonvariable72]

I'm really starting to think all Moslems are conspiracy theorists.

*Muslims

I studied physics 1 in college, along with a lot of physics in high school, I pretty much know already that free falling can never appear on buildings without blowing the foundations off.

I already know that other buildings so far away from the attack's radius fell too xD

ah yes, I'm so so insane for applying physics on the real world.
You see, physics have no effect against mainstream media

I don't doubt your math, or phsyics, and I understand the problems with this quite well. I just don't like the way your using this to try to brush off islam as a problem when it clearly is.

[mralstoner]

Might you care to reply to my point made upthread, or shall you continue to pretend it wasn't made?

Your argument was character smears and wishful thinking. That's standard left-liberal, bleeding heart, brain dead, path of least resistance, dont upset the apple cart, parochial, cheerleading, liberal groupthink. When it comes to nuclear Muslims, I prefer to err on the side of caution. You, and the other looney tunes here, however, are high-stakes gamblers, prepared to risk the future of Israel and the USA on pollyannaish wishful thinking. High rolling lunatics, that's what you guys are. Here's hoping Israel destroys Iran's nukes just like it's doing to Gaza. You can bet your lunch money that Obama will do absolutely nothing.

[Thumpalumpacus]

Your argument was character smears and wishful thinking. That's standard left-liberal, bleeding heart, brain dead, path of least resistance, dont upset the apple cart, parochial, cheerleading, liberal groupthink. When it comes to nuclear Muslims, I prefer to err on the side of caution. You, and the other looney tunes here, however, are high-stakes gamblers, prepared to risk the future of Israel and the USA on pollyannaish wishful thinking. High rolling lunatics, that's what you guys are. Here's hoping Israel destroys Iran's nukes just like it's doing to Gaza. You can bet your lunch money that Obama will do absolutely nothing.

You seemed to have missed my point, then:

While some religious nutbags are present there, even the ruling clerics understand the need to ease the sanctions lest their grip on power go down the shitter.

Now,I'm left to assume that you went to ad homeneim immediately due to lack of a cogent reply; but I've been wrong about people online before, so I'll give you another chance to prove you're capable of an intelligent discussion.

Let's start here. I've lived there, for four years. Have you?