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RE: Discussion w/ a Theist RE: Premarital Sex
July 21, 2014 at 12:12 pm
(July 21, 2014 at 11:36 am)StealthySkeptic Wrote: (July 21, 2014 at 8:25 am)Blackout Wrote: Well you can't live with her without living with her, but before moving in together it's possible for you to already know each other's behaviour to an extend. I've slept with my girlfriend in hotels, my house, hostels, etc, we've cooked together, watched the dishes, cleaned the house, so we already got that idea of how it's going to be.
Well, sleeping together is obviously not an option. As I said before, it took an entire year for us to kiss and she was barely able to justify it without it conflicting with her beliefs.
Pardon the expression but you must have the patients of a saint. I would never wait like that because of some girls belief in woo.
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RE: Discussion w/ a Theist RE: Premarital Sex
July 21, 2014 at 12:39 pm
(July 21, 2014 at 12:12 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: (July 21, 2014 at 11:36 am)StealthySkeptic Wrote: Well, sleeping together is obviously not an option. As I said before, it took an entire year for us to kiss and she was barely able to justify it without it conflicting with her beliefs.
Pardon the expression but you must have the patients of a saint. I would never wait like that because of some girls belief in woo.
Well I probably would have left her if she had insisted on not kissing me for much longer. I also told her that while I understood her tendency to just give me a goodbye hug instead of a kiss if so much as her roommate was watching as a reflection of her beliefs against PDA, it made me feel like our relationship was something she was ashamed of. We've progressed since then but it seems like even after three years of being together she's still trying to figure out how to remain true to what she believes without coming off as an emotionless nun.
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RE: Discussion w/ a Theist RE: Premarital Sex
July 21, 2014 at 2:29 pm
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(July 21, 2014 at 12:39 pm)StealthySkeptic Wrote: (July 21, 2014 at 12:12 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: Pardon the expression but you must have the patients of a saint. I would never wait like that because of some girls belief in woo.
Well I probably would have left her if she had insisted on not kissing me for much longer. I also told her that while I understood her tendency to just give me a goodbye hug instead of a kiss if so much as her roommate was watching as a reflection of her beliefs against PDA, it made me feel like our relationship was something she was ashamed of. We've progressed since then but it seems like even after three years of being together she's still trying to figure out how to remain true to what she believes without coming off as an emotionless nun. This is going to end poorly
(July 21, 2014 at 10:43 am)vorlon13 Wrote: (July 21, 2014 at 8:08 am)Blackout Wrote: Dude that's got to end, you can't marry someone without knowing the person almost fully first. I find it weird that my girlfriend is a Christian and she has no trouble with those sins, I guess she hasn't been reading the bible much, I'll keep it that way.
Can't you find a devout Christian to torment ??
 I'd like finding a devout Christian to criticize... Or not, some of those nuts will kill you for insulting their religion
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RE: Discussion w/ a Theist RE: Premarital Sex
July 21, 2014 at 2:42 pm
(July 20, 2014 at 2:11 am)StealthySkeptic Wrote: Quote:So the problem for me is that most people flaunt their ability to attract the opposite sex--especially when they are younger. Consider Facebook as an example. Young teenage girls and boys boast about their sexual exploits on their newsfeed. Well, at least I have seen it a lot. So is he a bad influence on the young people he knows, or just a very creepy Facebook stalker?
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RE: Discussion w/ a Theist RE: Premarital Sex
July 21, 2014 at 3:01 pm
(July 21, 2014 at 2:42 pm)Tonus Wrote: (July 20, 2014 at 2:11 am)StealthySkeptic Wrote: So is he a bad influence on the young people he knows, or just a very creepy Facebook stalker?
To Blackout: Perhaps it will end in disaster, but sexuality can't possibly be the only reason for leaving her, as I feel that would be perceived as shallow and it would be dumb since I really do care about her. However, I have endured a lot for so long so I'm not sure what I could do to make a "clean break" at this point.
To Tonus: I think he has friends who have told him about these things, or he hears about it on the news, which feeds the perception that "hookup culture" is predominant in America.
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RE: Discussion w/ a Theist RE: Premarital Sex
July 21, 2014 at 3:05 pm
Quote:To Blackout: Perhaps it will end in disaster, but sexuality can't possibly be the only reason for leaving her, as I feel that would be perceived as shallow and it would be dumb since I really do care about her. However, I have endured a lot for so long so I'm not sure what I could do to make a "clean break" at this point.
Of course sexuality isn't the only thing keeping a relationship working, but it is a part of it, for some people it will be more important, for others less. How much is too much? Will your different views congregate?
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RE: Discussion w/ a Theist RE: Premarital Sex
July 21, 2014 at 4:45 pm
Sex for married couples... Yes.
Sex for unmarried couples... Yes.
Sex for heterosexuals... Yes.
Sex for homosexuals... Yes.
Sex for Humans... Yes.
I have no way to prove it, but I suspect the people who say that sex is wrong are the same ones who are having a difficult time getting laid 
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RE: Discussion w/ a Theist RE: Premarital Sex
July 21, 2014 at 5:15 pm
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(July 21, 2014 at 3:05 pm)Blackout Wrote: Quote:To Blackout: Perhaps it will end in disaster, but sexuality can't possibly be the only reason for leaving her, as I feel that would be perceived as shallow and it would be dumb since I really do care about her. However, I have endured a lot for so long so I'm not sure what I could do to make a "clean break" at this point.
Of course sexuality isn't the only thing keeping a relationship working, but it is a part of it, for some people it will be more important, for others less. How much is too much? Will your different views congregate?
That's what I'm trying to figure out. I think I should perhaps talk to you by PM.
(July 21, 2014 at 4:45 pm)ShaMan Wrote: Sex for married couples... Yes.
Sex for unmarried couples... Yes.
Sex for heterosexuals... Yes.
Sex for homosexuals... Yes.
Sex for Humans... Yes.
I have no way to prove it, but I suspect the people who say that sex is wrong are the same ones who are having a difficult time getting laid
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RE: Discussion w/ a Theist RE: Premarital Sex
July 21, 2014 at 5:30 pm
(July 21, 2014 at 4:45 pm)ShaMan Wrote: Sex for married couples... Yes.
Sex for unmarried couples... Yes.
Sex for heterosexuals... Yes.
Sex for homosexuals... Yes.
Sex for Humans... Yes.
I have no way to prove it, but I suspect the people who say that sex is wrong are the same ones who are having a difficult time getting laid
And their hands fall asleep when they try to self-satisfy.
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RE: Discussion w/ a Theist RE: Premarital Sex
July 21, 2014 at 5:43 pm
(July 21, 2014 at 5:30 pm)Beccs Wrote: (July 21, 2014 at 4:45 pm)ShaMan Wrote: Sex for married couples... Yes.
Sex for unmarried couples... Yes.
Sex for heterosexuals... Yes.
Sex for homosexuals... Yes.
Sex for Humans... Yes.
I have no way to prove it, but I suspect the people who say that sex is wrong are the same ones who are having a difficult time getting laid
And their hands fall asleep when they try to self-satisfy.
Or they think they will go blind or grow hair on their palms.
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Han Solo: Kid, I've flown from one side of this galaxy to the other, and I've seen a lot of strange stuff, but I've never seen *anything* to make me believe that there's one all-powerful Force controlling everything. 'Cause no mystical energy field controls *my* destiny. It's all a lot of simple tricks and nonsense.
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