Discussion w/ a Theist RE: Premarital Sex

[Chad32]

It's both you. I did agree with you about the second thing. Maybe I should have put the first sentence in between your first and second statement.

[StealthySkeptic]

You keep saying ignorant shit about this. Are you trolling, or are you trying to make an actual point?

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I'm not sure if the sexual behavior results in orgasms or ejaculation, or if its just an "oochie oochie" motion that they do.

I don't think most animals have the same risk of death or complications-- human women are especially poorly adapted to delivery it seems to me.

I just don't really buy what you're saying.

I think women actually are poorly adapted for delivery. Laying on her back in a bed to give birth doesn't help either.

Interestingly enough, our evolution into bipedalism meant that human female hips had to become narrow in order to not cause our legs to topple over. But that narrow birth canal means that childbirth is always going to be naturally painful. A rather awful design, no?

[bennyboy]

Interestingly enough, our evolution into bipedalism meant that human female hips had to become narrow in order to not cause our legs to topple over. But that narrow birth canal means that childbirth is always going to be naturally painful. A rather awful design, no?

Given the % of children and women who die in natural, no-hospital childbirth, bipedalism represents a truly massive risk and investment in having free hands. You're right-- it's quite remarkable for such a killer trait to persist so strongly.

[StealthySkeptic]

Interestingly enough, our evolution into bipedalism meant that human female hips had to become narrow in order to not cause our legs to topple over. But that narrow birth canal means that childbirth is always going to be naturally painful. A rather awful design, no?

Given the % of children and women who die in natural, no-hospital childbirth, bipedalism represents a truly massive risk and investment in having free hands. You're right-- it's quite remarkable for such a killer trait to persist so strongly.

Scientists are still divided on what exactly bipedalism did to help us out as a species, but I lean towards the idea that male Recent Common Ancestors who later diverged into humans succeeded because they now had their arms free to carry home food to their mate. Later on, it also allowed us to see predators at a distance and become the best long-distance runners in the animal kingdom, with our successful strategy being to chase prey animals in a low energy way for us until they were too exhausted to fight back.

And speaking of the changes this caused, ape genitalia in females, especially bonobos, is usually bright red. Obviously that wouldn't work for us because of the changes in body orientation caused by bipedalism, so a larger butt became the unmistakable sign for males that they were well fed, as did larger breasts that would nurture young.

Like, for instance, the famous prehistoric Venus:



Thankfully, some happy medium seems to be slowly being reached between obesity considered attractive (at a time when starvation was likely) and a size 0 being the ideal. Anyway, human vaginas also became longer and narrower because of the now narrow female hips, and so human penises became the longest (on average) in the great ape family to accommodate that.

Thanks, evolution!

[bennyboy]

Like, for instance, the famous prehistoric Venus:

Haha this is assumed to be an idealistic female. But how do we know Olfgar wasn't just teasing his buddy Rulthgar: "When your wife came to my tent, I thought she was a hippo-- see. . . she looked like this!"

[StealthySkeptic]

Like, for instance, the famous prehistoric Venus:

Haha this is assumed to be an idealistic female. But how do we know Olfgar wasn't just teasing his buddy Rulthgar: "When your wife came to my tent, I thought she was a hippo-- see. . . she looked like this!"

No wonder there was a dead male next to the site.

[Mister Agenda]

If it weren't for theists having sex without marriage, I'd likely remain a virgin.

[StealthySkeptic]

If it weren't for theists having sex without marriage, I'd likely remain a virgin.

Forgive me, I don't follow.

[Zen Badger]

Scientists are still divided on what exactly bipedalism did to help us out as a species, but I lean towards the idea that male Recent Common Ancestors who later diverged into humans succeeded because they now had their arms free to carry home food to their mate. Later on, it also allowed us to see predators at a distance and become the best long-distance runners in the animal kingdom, with our successful strategy being to chase prey animals in a low energy way for us until they were too exhausted to fight back.

My take on the evolution of bipedalism(And this is pure speculation on my part) is that it arose after we invented weapons. And it allowed us to run after our prey whilst carrying said weapons.

[Tonus]

If it weren't for theists having sex without marriage, I'd likely remain a virgin.

Forgive me, I don't follow.

Translation: religious chicks are easy.