I was muslim and now i say ISLAM is an evil religion?!

[FatAndFaithless]

Isn 't Islam a religion of the devil?

No such thing.

yeah..that kinda throws the whole 'atheist' thing out the window.

[A-g-n-o-s-t-i-c]

Unfortunately, considering Muslims reproduce at a faster pace than westerns, I see Islam becoming the world's most predominant religion in a few decades, followed by atheists/agnostics/irreligious/deists and I'd place Christianity in the third place, but it will eventually fade away.

I think Islam too will fade completely after many decades, but I worry about the dangers of it's spreading, it is estimated that at this rhythm France will have an almost half Muslim population, other European countries, namely the northern ones, already have a considerable or at least significant sample of Muslim immigrants. They create commissions and other organizations to protect Muslims' 'Human Rights', which in other words means protecting Islam from all critics that are considered offensive by them and making Muslims able to impose their culture on westerns. I'm tired of the European culture of political correct opinions, you can criticize everything except for religion and theistic beliefs, you can't criticize other cultures because everything is relative and no value is objective, all morals all relative and all religions deserve respect in a peaceful society, bla bla bla... I'll have no problem insulting Islam in public, it just happens my country, Portugal, doesn't have a significant quantity of Muslim immigrants, at least for now, and I wouldn't mind be sued for it, I'd rather pay a heavy fine that let the government take away my rights. And the worst is, some Muslims will find the minimal critic as being offensive and label the person who made it as a prejudiced Islamophobe.

Check out these two videos involving Dawkins about offending Islam:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzFP2uSm9nE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQDgB173gSo

I should say my internet speed is poor and i can not see youtube.
also i can not understand english in normal speak speed.
can you say shortly what say in these videos?

I think the government is wrong that gives Muslims permanent residence.
Muslims are destroying your culture.

The cause of the spread of Islam, the Muslim birth rate is too fast.
Iran's supreme leader ordered the women born every 5-6 children.

[ignoramus]

To the Original Poster.
Do you believe in a god. A good god?

[Polaris]

I sense a Poe. Nice that your grammar seems to have changed just for this thread alone.

[Afifa Qua]

Hahaha. I'm so laughing.
I'm loud proudly saying i'm muslim. and i dont kill any human till now, and i'm fine w/ my religion.It's so again i have to say peaceful Islam in Indonesia-my home country. Most of people actually do not realise that they're pointing blame to the Muslims who act awful. But not Islam its self. And gladly that no one can mock to my Lord, because yes..my Lord and even Muhammad actually, are prohibited to be depicted in any form of creatures.

Shortly,if you just know a lil bit about avicenna or others muslim philosopher, you will see Islam in different standpoint. For me as muslim, it takes so much time to learn deeply about my religion, and even to translate > understand Qur'an in my language.arabic is a language w/ high interpretation. I'm still working on it. and i love it, because it's like learning literature.

I heard many-thousands mocking about islam, but i still embrace it. but i enjoy every ribbing about Islam. It's democration isn it ?
PEACE - sorry if my english is bad

[Minimalist]

Don't get too high and mighty about it.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-pacific-12393075

More than 1,000 Muslim protesters have stormed a courthouse and burned two churches in central Java, Indonesia.

The attacks in Temanggung happened after a Christian man was sentenced to five years in jail for distributing leaflets deemed insulting to Islam.

Indonesian police said the crowd considered the sentence too lenient and were demanding the death penalty.

They're scumbags, too.

[psychoslice]

Most religions were like the Muslims today, killing anyone who is against them, but that was thousands of years ago, I think Muslims need to grow up fast.

[Afifa Qua]

Don't get too high and mighty about it.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-pacific-12393075

More than 1,000 Muslim protesters have stormed a courthouse and burned two churches in central Java, Indonesia.

The attacks in Temanggung happened after a Christian man was sentenced to five years in jail for distributing leaflets deemed insulting to Islam.

Indonesian police said the crowd considered the sentence too lenient and were demanding the death penalty.

They're scumbags, too.

This is my standpoint :
Christians should realise they live in Country where moslems are majority., dont set the fire against petrol. Yet..moslems as mentioned in above news, are retarded. There are some radical moslem organisations in my country, but there are also 2 biggest Islam Organisation : Muhammadiyah, and Nahdlatul Ulama..which are so passive in any issue on Islam(passive in physical reaction). I cannot write it down all because it's exhausting also. LoL.

I'm a moslem, but just not what all has mentioned in this forum. That's why i'm sort of wondering what's so happening. LoL. In fact, i'm so attached w/ philosphy and science.

[viocjit]

<snip>my Lord and even Muhammad actually, are prohibited to be depicted in any form of creatures. <snip>

Why non-Muslims must respect this rule ? If someone prohibit to non-Muslims to draw Muhammad that means that this person is intolerant.

<snip> Shortly,if you just know a lil bit about avicenna or others muslim philosopher, you will see Islam in different standpoint. For me as muslim, it takes so much time to learn deeply about my religion, and even to translate > understand Qur'an in my language.arabic is a language w/ high interpretation. I'm still working on it. and i love it, because it's like learning literature. <snip>

1.Avicenna is considered as a heretic by many Muslims. Why do you consider him as a reference ?

2.You say that you learn deeply about your religion but do you know that Qur'an of today isn't the original Quran ?

3.Do you know anything about the negative consequences of Islam ?
I know many examples :
A.The razzias of Muhammad.
B.Hindu Kush : 80 millions of Hindus were killed between the XIth and XVIth century.
C.The terrorist attacks that are made everyday in the world.


4.Your book isn't compatible with modern science such Darwinism. See the next ayaat (2:30-2:34) ? He didn't existed any first man. Prove me that Darwinism isn't true without use any religious text. Use scientifical method.

5.You read Koran in Arabic. Did you try a scientifical analysis of this text such linguistical (looking the etymology of words , meaning of these words in the context of writing because words can change meaning over centuries ?).

[Afifa Qua]

<snip>my Lord and even Muhammad actually, are prohibited to be depicted in any form of creatures. <snip>

Why non-Muslims must respect this rule ? If someone prohibit to non-Muslims to draw Muhammad that means that this person is intolerant.

<snip> Shortly,if you just know a lil bit about avicenna or others muslim philosopher, you will see Islam in different standpoint. For me as muslim, it takes so much time to learn deeply about my religion, and even to translate > understand Qur'an in my language.arabic is a language w/ high interpretation. I'm still working on it. and i love it, because it's like learning literature. <snip>

1.Avicenna is considered as a heretic by many Muslims. Why do you consider him as a reference ?

2.You say that you learn deeply about your religion but do you know that Qur'an of today isn't the original Quran ?

3.Do you know anything about the negative consequences of Islam ?
I know many examples :
A.The razzias of Muhammad.
B.Hindu Kush : 80 millions of Hindus were killed between the XIth and XVIth century.
C.The terrorist attacks that are made everyday in the world.


4.Your book isn't compatible with modern science such Darwinism. See the next ayaat (2:30-2:34) ? He didn't existed any first man. Prove me that Darwinism isn't true without use any religious text. Use scientifical method.

5.You read Koran in Arabic. Did you try a scientifical analysis of this text such linguistical (looking the etymology of words , meaning of these words in the context of writing because words can change meaning over centuries ?).

1. Well i still respect him as he didnt limit his logical mind of God existence. I still need to learn more about philosophy, i cannot just follow al-ghazaly(claim avicenna as heretic) as some of moslems do., without i learn about avicenna philosophy furthermore.

*Herewego, finally..human beings are only able to depict human beings - Muhammad.Means, God of Moslem is still untouchable-you can depict myLord freely, but well, at least you must define what's your imagination about my Lord's form. Some moslem are become very triggered when non-believers depicted Muhammad in certain form of human beings. That's undeniable. But me-i can deal with that, even if i dont want to depict muhammad.

2. If you consider nowadays koran is no longer origin, then there must be a knowledge of the origin one, do you have any ?

3. Common news of Moslem : in my country itself, with majority Moslem, is divided by many societies of Moslem : Radical Moslems Vs Moderate/Scholars Moslem.
Violences issue : Dude, there's even rule about 'combatant and non combatant' in war rules of Islam. You just, i consider, too many seeing FoxNews or others similar. Also, terrorist action-who some of people believe that's because Islam endorse its act by one of Islam's Dogma(Jihad). Jihad itself, the highest level of Jihad is 'Controlling Lust of human beings'. Simple as that. Shallow understanding of any religion dogma or lets say any disciplines knowledge will lead to an inconsequential action.
Point is, human beings/religion cannot control others human beings mind of thinking. Means, freedom of thinking.

4.i'm still working on it i admit. Because i'm holding on one of math theory : 'theory of possibility'. where remains another 'dogma' of Islam which still need to be proved.

5. Example : Allah. This is not the name of My Lord like, christian & catholic has Jesus because his parent named his that way. Allah is arabic language to define God. English is 'God/Lord', Bahasa (my language) is 'Tuhan'. Allah in arabic is a unique word, which does not conjure up any mental picture nor can it be played around with. God if you add father will be God father, God added dess will be Goddess. There is nothing like male Allah or female Allah. Allah-arabic has no gender.

Then, i'm still assuming, science is sort of eliminating shapes/models/God,.but not the existence yet.