Why knocking is so important.

[ignoramus]

OP, you must understand that those that don't believe god exists, have no fear of not believing. Basically, if we live a happy life without him, and we don't believe in hell, you're not giving us any motivation at all to waste a lifetime trying to find him.

[Whateverist]

But most of us do knock it - your religion that is. And don't worry, we have tried it.

[Anomalocaris]

Knocking is so important because if drich stops knocking his thick skull against a wall, his one or two brain cells might regain consciousness and inform him what a crock of shit it was that he had been so easily led to believe.

[Tonus]

I'm sure the ASK method works really well on those people that want to believe in something like a god or gods.

Indeed, Drich's description sounds to me like "keep at it until you convince yourself that you've found god."

[vorlon13]

I bet it even works on folks with an interest in worshipping Zeus.

[Drich]

If God existed I would bow down to him and say thou are the lord.

However I would feel like an idiot bowing down to a figment of your imagination.

Show me God or go away.

If I could produce God on demand then he ceases to be God.

-Rather, God has given us a path to follow in order that we may present ourselves before Him.

If you want 'proof' you must seek it where and how God told you to look.

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As KUSA says not our job to prove anyone's delusions for them. I'm not 'looking' for any sort of 'god' (whatever that is). Never have, never will.

I'm sure the ASK method works really well on those people that want to believe in something like a god or gods.

Indeed, it is about choice. If your not looking for God you will indeed find what your looking for. Your observation works both ways. If you don't want to believe in God or gods not A/S/King will work well to support what you want to believe.

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George Harrison used to speak to Krishna, why should I believe your delusions over his?

Put Krishna to the test, then put what I have said to the test, and then decide for yourself.

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Apparently, it doesn't work all that well on those folks that want to believe anyway - as many of our forum goers can attest to. Didn't work on Drich either, IIRC. I seem to remember you being "called to god" over the magic of wide band radio waves? One of those lucky few.

What is the different between being called over the radio and being called out in an interactive forum? (Other than I can respond and brother James never did respond to me.)

[Thumpalumpacus]

[Minimalist]

Then I say if you want proof, what better proof of God, is their than God Himself?

That works with turds. If you step in a turd you know it is real. 'God?' Not so much.

Turds are real.

[Drich]

Ready for a simple translation of what he just said?:
You have to believe in god in order to believe in god.

ah, no. All anyone need do is seek with an open mind.

Its such a fantastic defence mechanism isn't it?
Person A: I was a Christian and looked for god for 20 years. I didn't find him, now i'm an atheist.
Person B: Well you obviously didn't look in the right way.

ah, no. Person b should say: "You didn't look long enough."
It took you 20 years to have your 'house' washed away. Now if you just keep knocking God will help you build a new one.

Hey drich, can you fly?

demends on whether or not I can find a good deal on Hotwire.

I jumped out of an aeroplane once and I flew. What's that? You fell straight down when you jumped? Well you musn't have jumped properly.

Indeed, if I jumped and followed the rules of the laws or principles of flight, I would have flown as you did, but as you have observed, if I just do things my own way I will fall. Why should your approach to God not be held to the same standard?[/quote]

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Dear Dritch. Tried very hard to do that once. I wanted to make mother happy. Apparently god didn't. Next.

Again, bla bla bla, like the neighbor kept knocking till he got what he was looking for, bla bla bla..

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Another thing, if I knock on someone's door and they don't answer, I assume they are not there or don't want to see me.

Did you read the story?

Christ explains what and why the door is not opened. You do not need to assume anything.

5 Then He said to them, “[d]Suppose one of you has a friend, and goes to him at midnight and says to him, ‘Friend, lend me three loaves; 6 for a friend of mine has come to me from a journey, and I have nothing to set before him’; 7 and from inside he answers and says, ‘Do not bother me; the door has already been shut and my children [e]and I are in bed; I cannot get up and give you anything.’ 8 I tell you, even though he will not get up and give him anything because he is his friend, yet because of his [f]persistence he will get up and give him as much as he needs.

9 “So I say to you, [g]ask, and it will be given to you; [h]seek, and you will find; [i]knock, and it will be opened to you. 10 For everyone who asks, receives; and he who seeks, finds; and to him who knocks, it will be opened. 11 Now [j]suppose one of you fathers is asked by his son for a [k]fish; he will not give him a snake instead of a fish, will he? 12 Or if he is asked for an egg, he will not give him a scorpion, will he? 13 If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your [l]heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him?”

[ignoramus]

Drich, what are we then?
If we try and he never comes!
That's us! Whatever word you come up with.

When you say open mind, do you mean open to believing in something that's not logical? Science has an open mind, has it not?