Why knocking is so important.

[Esquilax]

If 'we' don't expect our leaders to chase after us and beg us for our approval, then why would we expect the master of all creation to do so?

I love that you're comparing world leaders, for whom we have plenty of evidence that they exist, and can be provided pictures of on demand, with god, as though they're remotely equal.

Remember, before you can answer "why won't god appear?" you've got a much more basic question, that you seem simply incapable of answering properly: "does he exist?"

[Drich]

I am so tired of this dishonest nonsense from you. We both know where this goes, and handily you provided evidence of your escape hatch in the very next quote:

There it is! "You didn't look long enough." A slimy, squirmy little shit of an excuse that has no limitations.

Whether it's one try, a week, a year, twenty, even an entire life, if someone doesn't come out of this process agreeing with you, "you didn't look long enough." No need for thought, no need for falsification, just a stupid, unthinking, "you didn't look long enough."

you haven't given this much thought have you? I can tell your just shooting from the hip, and haven't considered all the other places where we may look for something or some one for life time, yet not find what it was we seek.

What about when you are seeking a wife? Like in our search for God all we have to go on is the fact that others have found what they were looking for, even though this in no way means you will experience what they do, nor is their any guarantee that you will even date someone. Yet most of us are willing to try/knock till we find what it is we are looking for.
That is the nature of any relationship, how can anyone claim that is an I falsifiable premise when it is apart of our everyday lives?

Because you don't actually care whether your beliefs are true or not, you don't care if your proposed method works, and you don't care about actually bringing people to god. All you care about is shoring up your own beliefs with the pretense of preaching, which is why your go to argument is nothing more than a fucking logical corkscrew with a convenient back door for you to flee out of the moment anyone discovers that actually, you're talking nonsense.

That's the thing when one knocks till the door is opened.. 'we'/I do not have to shore up anything. God does that for us.

So how long will it take? When should we stop?

As God is infinite and we are not we will never stop building. That does not mean we will not or can not have something livable in the way of an understanding/house in fairly short order.

Is there any possible length of time we could go that would actually falsify this belief of yours? Or would it always be, no matter how long, that conveniently we "didn't look long enough"?

know in your heart you will be made to wait for two things. One you have to let go your idea of what God is supposed to be and you will be made to wait until you let Go of your time line and in your heart are willing to wait on God no matter what it takes.

Money where your mouth is, Drich: what's the acceptable minimum length of time before we can accept that it doesn't work? And if there isn't one, then why on earth do you keep telling us this shit? You don't want to hear if it's wrong, and you're not interested in any account that doesn't already agree with your presuppositions, so if it turns out there's not an acceptable minimum knocking period, then do us all a favor and just start telling this shit to an empty fucking room, instead of polluting the boards with it.

See above

[rexbeccarox]

Hearts pump blood. They "know" nothing.

[Drich]

OP in a nutshell: "Wanna believe in god? Have a go with wishful thinking!"

No thanks. My mind alone is not the best thing I have to attain knowledge of anything. It's not even reason we're talking about, it's bloody imagination!

Ah, no again. In a nut shell approach God with an open mind and the same determination one should have in trying to find a mate.

[Anomalocaris]

Potential mate exists.

[Tobie]

What about when you are seeking a wife? Like in our search for God all we have to go on is the fact that others have found what they were looking for, even though this in no way means you will experience what they do, nor is their any guarantee that you will even date someone. Yet most of us are willing to try/knock till we find what it is we are looking for.
That is the nature of any relationship, how can anyone claim that is an I falsifiable premise when it is apart of our everyday lives?

Well for one thing, most people don't doubt the existence of other people. You can't equate meeting actual living, breathing people and trying to seek some supposed all-powerful being which has no known evidence in favour of it existing. If you/it wants us to "knock" at least give us some support (actual support, not some book a bunch of guys wrote in the bronze age, or someone's personal testament) for your claims.

[Esquilax]

Don't be proud of forming unfalsifiable propositions. It's not that hard.

you haven't given this much thought have you? I can tell your just shooting from the hip, and haven't considered all the other places where we may look for something or some one for life time, yet not find what it was we seek.

And if the thing we're supposed to search for has absolutely nothing to indicate its existence beyond the insistence of a random collection of strangers who are unable to agree with one another, then it's in the same ballpark as alien abductions and the Jersey Devil.

What about when you are seeking a wife? Like in our search for God all we have to go on is the fact that others have found what they were looking for, even though this in no way means you will experience what they do, nor is their any guarantee that you will even date someone. Yet most of us are willing to try/knock till we find what it is we are looking for.
That is the nature of any relationship, how can anyone claim that is an I falsifiable premise when it is apart of our everyday lives?

And again, you compare god, who has nothing to verify his existence, with something that has plenty of evidence. It's a flawed comparison, because the people who have found wives can produce theirs on demand, and can show where the concept of marriage- which is a human construct, by the way- originated. Also, marriage contains within it no extraordinary claims, unlike your god claim; at least marriage is physically possible.

Invalid analogies don't really get you anywhere, and you're telling me who hasn't thought this through?

That's the thing when one knocks till the door is opened.. 'we'/I do not have to shore up anything. God does that for us.

Fatuous, circuitous nonsense borne of the presupposition you're unwilling to let go of. Why am I not surprised?

As God is infinite and we are not we will never stop building. That does not mean we will not or can not have something livable in the way of an understanding/house in fairly short order.

That's not an answer. What is the minimum length of time one can A/S/K, from the position of one just looking for god to reveal themselves to them, before it's okay to give up and say it's failed? If the answer is still this "god is infinite..." stuff, then your position is unfalsifiable, and hence irrational to even attempt.

know in your heart you will be made to wait for two things. One you have to let go your idea of what God is supposed to be and you will be made to wait until you let Go of your time line and in your heart are willing to wait on God no matter what it takes.

So basically what I said: keep going, keep going, and if you ever stop, shock horror, it wasn't long enough. Do you even realize the game you're playing, or is this kind of con trick just innate?

[Lucanus]

Potential mate exists.

Dang, ya beat me to it!

[Drich]

[Tobie]

what in what I have said makes you think rational thought has been suspended?

The whole premise of looking for something that has no known evidence whatsoever is entirely irrational. How can you not see that?

Imagine you come across a door to a house which has nothing to suggest it is inhabited, or has anything in it at all - why would you bother knocking on it?

Where did I use a personal testimony?

I showed you why it was important to keep knocking.

You saying "it worked for me" is a personal testimony which seems to be your entire evidence for this whole illogical process.