Why knocking is so important.

[Chad32]

Why does god command others to spread the word when he also says everyone has knowledge of him and he's omnipresent? Because not all of what's in the bible is true.

Whether Obama has as much control as anyone thinks he does is a different subject than whether or not he exists. We haven't proven that Yahweh exists, much less whether he's the creator of the universe.

[Jenny A]

Drich:

Here's a quotation for you:

"Do not seek _____ with your brains, you will find him with your hearts."

Sounds familiar doesn't it? But it isn't really. Fill in the blank and the speaker. No cheating. The answer is hidden.

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Hitler is blank, Rudolf Hess said it. Hitler said:

"Reason can treacherously deceive a man, but emotion is always sure and never leaves him."

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[ignoramus]

The OP shouldn't be giving us examples of seeking god with seeking other "real" people.

The OP is so conditioned that god is "real" that he feels comfortable making this comparison.

Seeking god is no different to seeking leprechauns.
Someone tell me why it isn't?

And please don't tell me he said/she said/read it somewhere.....

[Ryantology]

Again that is not my question to answer. God answers all of those who will simply meet Him on His terms. That is like asking a British subject to provide you with proof of the authority of the queen, when you had the ability and access to speak with her directly.

If the British queen was 100% sequestered from all other humans and never directly communicated with the outside world or anybody in it, and the only evidence of her existence came from hearsay and books that made no testable claims, and you were told that you could only hear the queen in your head, and only if you asked her in just the right way, would you accept as absolute truth that there is a queen reigning over Britain?

[Thumpalumpacus]

Let's say you heard a voice that wasn't there when you knocked. That's about as fair, and about as insulting, as you're being here.

how is that fair? Why do you get to assume that I heard anything at that point the door was opened?

I assume you received a sensation. Let us say then that that sensation was your imagination only, so as to take it out of hearing.

My point about fairness is that making such an uncharitable assumption about your relative (lack of) sanity is about as fair as you making assumptions about the sincerity of my faith in my youth -- to wit, you're being very unfair, and insulting.

what if God isn't an Omnimax god? What if that was one of the cornerstones of the house you built on the sand that has to be washed away?

What if worms had machine guns? Birds wouldn't fuck with them, brotha.

If god isn't omnimax, that's fine. Then he isn't the Judeo-Christian god. That brings up the point: what god are you talking about? There's a little shy of five thousand running around, which leprechaun is your favorite?

You reference Luke, and the Chritsian Bible, all the time. If you don't think that that god is omnimax, you're a blasphemer. If you do think he's omnimax, you're arguing disingenuously here. Which is it?

and if God confirmed His presents to you while you thought He was an Omnimax God? Would you then tear down your house and seek out who God really is or would you continue to build your house that was built on the sand?

The god I believed in didn't answer, so I discarded that hypothesis.

Or option three, God answers your prayer, shows you your crap theology and wipes your slate clean by not supporting your Sunday school effort to this point. In order thatyou can either build the best house dedicated to Him that you can, or you can build a house dedicated to self.

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Or, option four, you imagined a reply to your knock, because there is no god.


Don't forget that one; it's logically speaking the most likely.

[Drich]

Ah, no. Queens don't get elected, and Presidents do not meet everyone that will vote for them.

If you get to meet a leader of a nation it is because you've made some sort of effort that places you in front of them.

No one is in any doubt that the leader of their nation exists, which is where you analogy fails.

Not much for world events huh?

Putin was originally appointed as president of Russia by Yeltsin, after Yeltsin dismissed the prime minister In 1999. In 04 Putin was re-elected at the end of his term he created a job for himself resurrecting the post of the prime minister, in 08. From this position it is believed/argued Putin puppeted then president Medvedev (as well as Russian law) so that he could be re elected in 2012, by putting an end to the presidential term limits.

While most may not argue the physical existence, of a person who leads a country, people do argue a given person's authority in such a position all the time. That is why we have wars and civil unrest.

In turn while there are those of you who will argue the existence of Christ, and those who will not, all who consider themselves 'atheist' will indeed argue is authority and claim as the son of God, which is the very reason I used this analogy.

[Jenny A]

While most may not argue the physical existence, of a person who leads a country, people do argue a given person's authority in such a position all the time. That is why we have wars and civil unrest.

In turn while there are those of you who will argue the existence of Christ, and those who will not, all who consider themselves 'atheist' will indeed argue is authority and claim as the son of God, which is the very reason I used this analogy.

emphasis mine.

Um, to be atheist is by definition to lack a belief in god. Arguing over the authority of the nonexistent is a little bit too removed from reality for me.

[Drich]

The whole premise of looking for something that has no known evidence whatsoever is entirely irrational. How can you not see that?

Imagine you come across a door to a house which has nothing to suggest it is inhabited, or has anything in it at all - why would you bother knocking on it?

Their are many "uninhabited" houses that people knock at. I myself made that point. That was the point of continuing the asking and seeking.

You saying "it worked for me" is a personal testimony which seems to be your entire evidence for this whole illogical process.

So if you were single and I told you to keep trying to find 'the one,' and I used my experience as a guid line for the direction I gave you, this to you would be an illogical process? If I pointed to all the other happily married people and tell you many if not all of them had to let go their idea of this fantasy of the perfect mate and accept the reality of who their partner really was. Is This to you is also an "illogical process?"

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The problem I have with this is that you really have to assume there is a god AND that you have the proper instructions. People go looking for Allah and the truth of the Book of Mormon in just the way you instruct and some of them find god---just a rather different one then yours.

and you assume I am teach that it is not possible to find God through any other religion. If one keeps A/S/K-ing they will find God. Even if they are born in a cult or anti God of the bible house hold.

Actually you can go looking as per instructions and not find. Been there, done that.

actually you haven't. Not according to the instructions provided in Luke 11. The moment you stopped looking and could actively use the pass tense "I did do..." You can not claim you followed the instructions of luke 11. As the instructions of luke 11 as one knocking till he gets what he is asking/seeking for.

But, the more important question is why should we go looking?

If you are not married by the time you are 29 do you give up? Why would you keep looking?

And have you put Krishna to the test? My guess is you have not.

So?

My path did not take into krishna's camp before I found God. It did take me to buddha's Allah's and a general spiritual hippy sense of morality. It's like looking for your keys. Once you find them you stop looking. If however you wish that I help you explore krishna's claim on deity I can study it with you.[/quote]

[Thumpalumpacus]

My path did not take into krishna's camp before I found God.

I think you just didn't look long enough. You lost patience and settled for something that was more popular here.

[Jenny A]

The problem I have with this is that you really have to assume there is a god AND that you have the proper instructions. People go looking for Allah and the truth of the Book of Mormon in just the way you instruct and some of them find god---just a rather different one then yours.

and you assume I am teach that it is not possible to find God through any other religion. If one keeps A/S/K-ing they will find God. Even if they are born in a cult or anti God of the bible house hold.

I'm suggesting that if your method of looking will turn up a number of very different contradictory gods, it's a bad method, that confirms what your were seeking, whatever it was that you were seeking. As it confirms anything you look for, it's simply a method of self delusion.

Actually you can go looking as per instructions and not find. Been there, done that.

actually you haven't. Not according to the instructions provided in Luke 11. The moment you stopped looking and could actively use the pass tense "I did do..." You can not claim you followed the instructions of luke 11. As the instructions of luke 11 as one knocking till he gets what he is asking/seeking for.

Sorry, a lifetime of looking is not remotely reasonable. If someone told me to look for an elephant in my house and a day's looking didn't turn up an elephant I'd stop. Any sensible person would.

But, the more important question is why should we go looking?

If you are not married by the time you are 29 do you give up? Why would you keep looking?

There's plenty of evidence marriageable men exist and none that god does.

If I had been looking for unicorns, I have given up long before 30.

]And have you put Krishna to the test? My guess is you have not.

So?

My path did not take into krishna's camp before I found God. It did take me to buddha's Allah's and a general spiritual hippy sense of morality. It's like looking for your keys. Once you find them you stop looking. If however you wish that I help you explore krishna's claim on deity I can study it with you.

Thanks, but no. I've found a sense of morality, no god required. What is a "spiritual hippy sense of morality" and why would anyone want it?

And no it's not like looking for your car keys. The keys exist and you need them. God doesn't and I don't need him.