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RE: Why knocking is so important.
August 21, 2014 at 4:18 pm
(August 21, 2014 at 3:41 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: That is not evidence.
It is a circular argument. You are using the claim (the Bible) as evidence that the claims made in the Bible are true. Ahhh, no.
I am citing the claim/promise in the bible, (Spiritual gifts/Spiritual Fruit) and comparing that to what I received in my life.
Quote:It cannot be tested.
I am Using the bible to identify the promise Eg: The holy Spirit and using the bible to show me what the evidences of the Holy Spirit are in one's life. Then I am taking these descriptions and applying them to the external experiences I have been apart of. How is that not a test?
Quote: If someone uses A/S/K, and they don't get the results you claim, all you have to do is say they weren't sincere, or weren't persistent enough, or whatever.
Hello my name is Drich have we met? I have been arguing the same position for almost 40 pages now, and it does not reflect your assessment.
In short Asking/Seeking brings one to Atheism. Knocking takes them back out. If you are still in Atheism you have not completed the knocking portion of the task we were given.
Quote:You have no way of falsifying the claim, nor does your methodology allow for a null hypothesis.
You guys who put all your eggs in the falsifiablity basket should read what this artical on Princton.edu has to say.
http://www.princeton.edu/~achaney/tmve/w...ility.html
It is not the catch all arguement you all seem to think it is. In short falsifiability is only a valid precept when testing a scientific or the philosphy of science claim. Life experience, religion and philosphy do not require Falsifiablity.
Even so the claim being made will be determined true or false at the final judgement. 
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RE: Why knocking is so important.
August 21, 2014 at 5:42 pm
The point remains, though - why would you use the bible at all? It couldn't be that that's the only way you can even know anything about your god, could it?
Ah, screw it; why am I even bothering to ask? Cue lame rationalisation and/or deflection in 3... 2... 1...
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: Why knocking is so important.
August 21, 2014 at 6:25 pm
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(August 21, 2014 at 5:42 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Ah, screw it; why am I even bothering to ask?
I've been asking the very same question ever since I came upon the spectacle of a bunch of presumably perceptive primates trying with all earnestness to inculcate upon a creature with the brain of an ameba some concepts known to require a minimum of reptile level intellect to grasp and retain.
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RE: Why knocking is so important.
August 21, 2014 at 6:31 pm
(August 21, 2014 at 4:18 pm)Drich Wrote: You guys who put all your eggs in the falsifiablity basket should read what this artical on Princton.edu has to say.
http://www.princeton.edu/~achaney/tmve/w...ility.html
It is not the catch all arguement you all seem to think it is. In short falsifiability is only a valid precept when testing a scientific or the philosphy of science claim. Life experience, religion and philosphy do not require Falsifiablity.
Even so the claim being made will be determined true or false at the final judgement. The falsifiability basket is superior to the gullibility basket for egg keeping.
You don't understand falsifiability. A deist creator god that is said to exist outside our universe is not falsifiable. This attribute of your God is also not falsifiable; however, all the other attributes assigned to your God that interact with our universe are falsifiable.
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RE: Why knocking is so important.
August 21, 2014 at 6:55 pm
(August 21, 2014 at 2:52 pm)Cato Wrote: (August 21, 2014 at 2:37 pm)Drich Wrote: I am nothing special, God did not offer me anything He has not offered the rest of you.
This statement can only be true if God offered you nothing. I haven't received an offer from God.
He offered me $1,500 for my bike.
I had to reject him.
Playing Cluedo with my mum while I was at Uni:
"You did WHAT? With WHO? WHERE???"
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RE: Why knocking is so important.
August 21, 2014 at 7:07 pm
I used to pray for a bike, until I learned that prayer doesn't work that way. So I stole one and prayed for forgiveness.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: Why knocking is so important.
August 21, 2014 at 7:10 pm
(August 21, 2014 at 7:07 pm)Stimbo Wrote: I used to pray for a bike, until I learned that prayer doesn't work that way. So I stole one and prayed for forgiveness.
Now, which comedian said that?
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RE: Why knocking is so important.
August 21, 2014 at 7:17 pm
Well, he was my imaginary friend when I was growing up.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: Why knocking is so important.
August 21, 2014 at 9:02 pm
(August 21, 2014 at 6:55 pm)Beccs Wrote: He offered me $1,500 for my bike.
I had to reject him. Maybe he was offering you $1,500 to let him be your bike. 
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."
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RE: Why knocking is so important.
August 21, 2014 at 9:17 pm
(August 21, 2014 at 9:02 pm)Tonus Wrote: (August 21, 2014 at 6:55 pm)Beccs Wrote: He offered me $1,500 for my bike.
I had to reject him. Maybe he was offering you $1,500 to let him be your bike.
I'm not for sale - especially to an imaginary being.
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