Only man is fit to be God.

[Minimalist]

Think before you roflol next time, okay?

Drippy? Think? Surely you jest.

[Drich]

Humans fit to rule over humans.. Because we've done such an excellent job so far.

I suppose you want a god that commands slaughter of innocents to rule us then?

Book chapter and verse?

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Then I will...

Oh, no what will I do?
I guess I will just have to answer the question and points you bring up biblically.

Have we done a perfect job of governing ourselves? No, but we get better at it all the time, primarily because as the baseless fear of your non-existent god recedes, people look to themselves.

So ISIS, Putin's Russia, Kim's North Korea, these are all examples of some of the 'new/better' governments that are absent of 'my God' and his principles.

Really? Starving babies in Africa (not to mention Europe, Asia, and the Americas) doesn't give you the teensiest pause that maybe your god could lend a hand?

Nuupe.
Why? Because we have been tasked with this job, and been given the resources to complete it. It's not God's responsibility unless we did not have the resources or the ability to distribute them. As it is we have all three and do not do it.

Oh, wait, I remember - god permits babies to die of malnutrition and other horrible afflictions to teach us mercy and compassion.

Oh, wait I was just reminded that you don't believe in God so the starving babies issue has been placed directly into our laps, making it our responsibility in your world view, and any failure and or lack of support these people have are a direct result of societal indifference, and has nothing to do with God in any way.. After all how can God be responsible if he does not exist?

Just like in my world view, where God says it is our responsibility to care for the starving and needy.
And if their are starving and needy it is due to our societal indifference, and nothing to do with God.. After all how is it God's fault if He gave his servants all the supplies and capability to alleviate this suffering and even command us to do this, and they don't?

As for managing resources, this too is getting better all the time.

ah, no. Our governments pay farmers not to grow crops because the surplus would drive the price of said crop down.
This is not resource management this is greed at the expense of lives.

Fewer people (as a percentage of population) go hungry or cold or die of sanitation-related illnesses than ever before. Why? Because of HUMAN ingenuity and compassion, not the god of Abraham, we seems to take a disturbing delight in misery and horror.

Boru

http://www.cbsnews.com/ebola/
Yeah, good job.

Don't get me started on AIDS, Piracy, and the warlord states that plague that part of the world.

In truth we no matter what we believe have failed the people of Africa.[/quote]

[Tobie]

Book chapter and verse?

I Chronicles 21:9-14; God sends a pestilence to Israel which kills 70,000 innocents because their ruler wanted to do a census.

Deuteronomy 3:1-7 recounts the slaughter of all the living things in the 60 towns of Bashan.

Need I go on?

[Drich]

Book chapter and verse?

I Chronicles 21:9-14; God sends a pestilence to Israel which kills 70,000 innocents because their ruler wanted to do a census.

Deuteronomy 3:1-7 recounts the slaughter of all the living things in the 60 towns of Bashan.

Need I go on?

I think you need to continue until you find some NT example.

[Losty]

That is so annoying. The OT is still relevant. Jesus said so himself. If the bible is real at all then every verse is relevant not just the NT.

Also, look at it on a smaller scale. You wouldn't let a serial mass murderer run a day care center even if he had been released from prison for time served and was considered rehabilitated. Would you?

[Greatest I am]

Only man is fit to be God.

There is no higher form of intelligent life as far as we can tell with any confidence.

Man has already proven that he can produce better laws than any of the Gods so to want to have man led by a God with less moral values would be like us electing Satan.

We are a part of the animal kingdom. In this kingdom, all animals look to their own kind for guidance and the best rules for them to live their lives by. These they learn from instincts. Man seeks the same best rules to live life by and not only uses his instincts and feelings, he also uses his intellect and reason.

Religions would have us emulate some absentee Gods while knowing that they are less moral and intelligent in their laws than man. That is why religions tend to not try to have holy laws put into our societies. They are way too draconian.

If all other animals emulate their fittest as God, in the sense of the best rules for life, then why do some humans want to follow what can only be called an alien God?

Humans should rule over humans. No alien God should ever be let to rule over us even if one did show up.

Do you agree and if not, why not?

Regards
DL

Humans fit to rule over humans.. Because we've done such an excellent job so far.

God gave us this world to rule over and to care for those in need. I could post pics of babies starving in Africa or drinking dirty water, but you get the point.

So no, humans are not fit to simply manage and distribute the resources we have been given to share, let alone rule over ourselves.

Are you talking about the God who creates all things perfect?

Deuteronomy 32:4
He is the Rock, his work is perfect:

Are these some of your God's perfect creations?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_-nHw0_...r_embedded

You do not seem to like how man distributes resources. Why?

We have taken a full billion out of poverty in the last 20 years and forecast the same in the next 20. What is your complaint again?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbkSRLYSojo

Regards
DL

[Drich]

That is so annoying. The OT is still relevant. Jesus said so himself. If the bible is real at all then every verse is relevant not just the NT.

Also, look at it on a smaller scale. You wouldn't let a serial mass murderer run a day care center even if he had been released from prison for time served and was considered rehabilitated. Would you?

Not concerning the topic being discussed. For people were wiped out because their was no attonement for their great wickedness. Now in NT Christianity their is. Therefore the examples listed are invalid. That is why tobie needs to keep going till he reaches a NT example.

[Greatest I am]

I volunteer to be god then!

Oh shit.

A & E did so all you need do is learn of good and evil then step up as esoteric Jesus says you can.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alRNbesf...r_embedded

Regards
DL

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Humans fit to rule over humans.. Because we've done such an excellent job so far.

God gave us this world to rule over and to care for those in need. I could post pics of babies starving in Africa or drinking dirty water, but you get the point.

So no, humans are not fit to simply manage and distribute the resources we have been given to share, let alone rule over ourselves.

umm....I'm not even going to bother lol.

For evil to grow, all good people need do is not bother.

Be more Christian but just with this type of scripture.

Proverbs 3:12
For whom the Lord loveth he correcteth; even as a father the son in whom he delighteth.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soDZBW-1P04

If you have the intelligence, and you have I think, you can hurt his head.

Regards
DL

[Losty]

That is so annoying. The OT is still relevant. Jesus said so himself. If the bible is real at all then every verse is relevant not just the NT.

Also, look at it on a smaller scale. You wouldn't let a serial mass murderer run a day care center even if he had been released from prison for time served and was considered rehabilitated. Would you?

Not concerning the topic being discussed. For people were wiped out because their was no attonement for their great wickedness. Now in NT Christianity their is. Therefore the examples listed are invalid. That is why tobie needs to keep going till he reaches a NT example.

What!? A god who murdered all those people would not be fit to rule the world. He came up with one stupid reason to murder the people he supposedly loved, who's to say he won't come up with another? Once a murderer always a murderer.
Love, your bible says god created people and he created evil. Then he mass murders them for their wickedness? No, the only acceptable atonement would have been to kill himself.

[Greatest I am]

umm....I'm not even going to bother lol.

Then I will...

Have we done a perfect job of governing ourselves? No, but we get better at it all the time, primarily because as the baseless fear of your non-existent god recedes, people look to themselves.

Really? Starving babies in Africa (not to mention Europe, Asia, and the Americas) doesn't give you the teensiest pause that maybe your god could lend a hand? Oh, wait, I remember - god permits babies to die of malnutrition and other horrible afflictions to teach us mercy and compassion.

As for managing resources, this too is getting better all the time. Fewer people (as a percentage of population) go hungry or cold or die of sanitation-related illnesses than ever before. Why? Because of HUMAN ingenuity and compassion, not the god of Abraham, we seems to take a disturbing delight in misery and horror.

Boru

Speaking of poverty and resource management for the poor.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021629531

Regards
DL