Was Jesus a God or a man?

[FatAndFaithless]

[Mudhammam]

So, you're saying we can say nothing about God except what people wrote in regards to the character of Jesus?

"But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them—bring them here and kill them in front of me."

That Jesus, right?

According to my faith, yes and no. Yes because the Bible, as everyone knows, is understood to Christians as being "God-breathed" or "God-inspired" and adequate for teaching, rebuking, etc. But on the other hand (and this is all Christian belief still) the magnificence of the universe and nature testify to the goodness and power of God so "we are without excuse". But this all coming for the New Testament, which is why I humorously answered yes and no.

Oh, well, if it's according to your faith, then excellent points!

[The Grand Nudger]

Turned into a used car saleman awfully quick.....when you're done with all that grease I have some axles that need a good lubing.

[Anomalocaris]

Bible....is understood to Christians as being "God-breathed" or "God-inspired" and adequate for teaching, rebuking, etc.

That is inconsistent with the expected behavior of real love for one's fellow men. You can not both understand as christians do, and expect to be treated as meriting credit for real love for one's fellow men.

[Hezekiah]

I find the faux humanitarian bit absurd - not offensive. You want to show me some respect, try not to follow up special pleading with might makes right, seguing into peace and love - credit me with just a little bit of intelligence. That was never going to fly, and I'm at least comfortable with assuming that you're smart enough to have known this.

The respect of a person who's seen fit to offer the "worldview" you've put forward in this thread means very little to me.

Again, "offer the "worldview" you've put forward", I'm not selling you anything. I'm simply giving insight into why I believe what I do. If this is foreign or suspicious to you, I don't know what to say. I'm trying to be honest with you about myself, but if you doubt what I'm telling you about myself, what is the point?

[The Grand Nudger]

I don't doubt it. If I doubted it then I'd be all winkies and patting you on the back. It disturbs me, because I'm willing to entertain the notion that it's true....that this is precisely what you believe..every jot and tittle.

[Mudhammam]

In all seriousness though, I think some of these questions may have pushed Hez into some degree of cognitive dissonance. The responses don't actually address anything and clearly he's more intelligent to just simply return to quoting common dribble they teach you in Sunday school.

[Hezekiah]

I don't doubt it. If I doubted it then I'd be all winkies and patting you on the back. It disturbs me, because I'm willing to entertain the notion that it's true....that this is precisely what you believe..every jot and tittle.

I understand. With all due respect, atheism (but not atheists) disturbs me as well. But that doesn't mean I can't engage in healthy discussion or that I write off the individual because they believe differently. I stand by what I said, I value an individual seperate from the beliefs they hold.

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In all seriousness though, I think some of these questions may have pushed Hez into some degree of cognitive dissonance. The responses don't actually address anything and clearly he's more intelligent to just simply return to quoting common dribble they teach you in Sunday school.

Haha well the tangent of my personal beliefs derailed the thread, so I seem to have forgotten the question at hand.

[FatAndFaithless]

Its not that we disagree, its that we disagree and find your reasoning both inconsistent and in certain cases somewhat morally vacant.

[The Grand Nudger]

Yeah..and chances are atheism disturbs you for reasons entirely unrelated to atheism - meanwhile...I'm just going by what you've decided to share -in this thread-. I'm not writing you off because you believe differently, I'm not even writing you off because you upheld the rights of despots and tyrants the world over with a single sentence. I'm simply making sure that this doesn't slip by, greased by pious indignation and appeals to some mutual respect that you cannot possibly maintain after that single remark (not that you stopped there.......ffs).