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RE: Convert or Move Out: Emergency
September 28, 2014 at 8:00 pm
(September 23, 2014 at 1:26 am)Quantum1Connect Wrote: But, after 3 months of living with our in-laws, my wife and I have been given an ultimatum. "Convert or move out." Well I was going to say that goes against every Christian principle to deny someone the ability to choose their own beliefs, but then I realised you were raised in the LDS church and they do practise a very let's say strong from of excommunication (Jesus says to cut off from the church in Matthew 18:15-20; Paul says to cut off entirely in 1 Corinthians 5, 16:22; and in Galatians 1:6-9.
There's really not a lot you can do, the LDS teaches that this means in life and not just in the church, and that it includes your close friends and family.
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RE: Convert or Move Out: Emergency
September 29, 2014 at 8:39 am
Given that your in-laws are to all intents and purposes holding you to extortion with threats I'd say your position is sufficiently serious to go to a fundraiser.
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As to the ***holes that are willing to effectively say 'Convert or die' (which is to all intents and purposes what they have just done) **** 'em!
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RE: Convert or Move Out: Emergency
September 29, 2014 at 4:59 pm
With family like that who needs 'em.
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RE: Convert or Move Out: Emergency
October 6, 2014 at 1:52 pm
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(September 27, 2014 at 9:43 pm)Minimalist Wrote: It's blackmail, plain and simple. I'm pretty sure its not. Blackmail is the thing when you threaten to reveal comprimising information about someone if they don't pay you. This is setting conditions on people living in your house.
Quote:With family like that who needs 'em.
Apparently the OP does.
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RE: Convert or Move Out: Emergency
October 6, 2014 at 2:03 pm
Don't be too literal, Jake. They are jesus-fucks willing to make their own daughter homeless because of their delusions.
Blackmail is not too strong a word.
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RE: Convert or Move Out: Emergency
October 6, 2014 at 2:29 pm
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(September 24, 2014 at 4:52 am)Jacob(smooth) Wrote: I hate to say it, but I'm tending to agree with Blackrock.
If you, as an adult, want to live in my house, I think I'm entitled to set the conditions! If you don't want to meet those conditions, well, you don't have to. Converting is an odd request but saying that you need to go to church and live as a Christian does not seem unreasonable to me. It's not so different to my employer telling me to act a certain way. Of course I have a choice but quid pro quo, they pay me so they get to tell me what to do.
There is a very old phrase. Beggars can't be choosers. When you are independent you can live as you please. When you rely on the goodwill of others, unfortunately you dance to their tune. Or don't. Up to you.
Quote: never thought that being atheist was good enough to make someone homeless.
Bullshit. Circumstances made you homeless. Losing your job made you homeless. What they did is took you in. Now you discover there are strings attached, well that's too bad. Very little in life comes for free, bed and board almost never!
My wife and I were keeping that whole house afloat. Paying 75% of the rent and filling the fridge up. I even ran several repairs around the house and did a lot of yard work. Now they will have to mooch off of there beloved church to stay afloat and may even be evicted because they wont make the income requirement to stay in their house.
But like any Christian, they will have to lie on a legal document.
Your opinion can go fuck it's self.
Our presence in that house was quiet, virtually non-existant. Asking to go to church is one thing, but my brother in law avoided conversation to resolve conflict and my sister in law insisted that my wife and I were devils, devil worshippers, and made fun of me because of my suicide attempt three months ago.
So I would look at the whole picture before I came upon such a conclusion.
Actually, I will rephrase that. You can go fuck yourself.
Hello everyone! Great news!
A week ago my wife and I were able to move in to another place for a 2-3 month stay as we get our finances together. We are finally free of all religious judgement.
My wife and I spent this past weekend meeting great secular people. The world seems much less lonely.
Last week I finished my intensive therapy. 3 months of hospitals and surgery and I am finally free sailing.
Thank you all for your encouragement and advice!
Now I'm just active in the job search and currently building my web developing/programming skills so that I can eventually catch a couple gigs or land a good job!
Things are going well. Hope to be employed in two weeks.
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RE: Convert or Move Out: Emergency
October 6, 2014 at 2:44 pm
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(October 6, 2014 at 2:03 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Don't be too literal, Jake. They are jesus-fucks willing to make their own daughter homeless because of their delusions.
Blackmail is not too strong a word.
Yabut, definitionally it's not blackmail - it's coercion, duress, intimidation, bullying, constraint, force, menace, threat, or browbeating. So, that's OK.
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RE: Convert or Move Out: Emergency
October 6, 2014 at 2:46 pm
Quote:Things are going well. Hope to be employed in two weeks.
You'd be completely justified if you never spoke to those fucks again.
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RE: Convert or Move Out: Emergency
October 6, 2014 at 3:17 pm
That's wonderful, glad to hear things are improving
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RE: Convert or Move Out: Emergency
October 6, 2014 at 4:54 pm
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Glad to hear you're getting yourself back on your feet. Fingers crossed you won't need any help from religious people in the future! Or gangsters come to that. Neither tend to be very forgiving. Don't owe either money. Hot tip there.
And you also may partake of sex and travel . That's the nice thing about the internet, you get to meet people who don't agree with you. And I'm afraid not everyone will.
Quote:Don't be too literal, Jake. They are jesus-fucks willing to make their own daughter homeless because of their delusions.
Blackmail is not too strong a word.
Not too strong, just a different thing. Coercion would be nearer.
Quote:You'd be completely justified if you never spoke to those fucks again.
He would indeed! Might not be wise though. He might need their help again in the future hmmm?
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Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
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