Abortion not allowed

[Chas]

I belief as soon as an egg is concieved it is a human being.

Eggs aren't conceived, they are fertilized.

And even when an egg is fertilized, the woman is not yet pregnant.
That doesn't happen until the zygote implants in the uterine wall, and that doesn't happen every time. Do you actually know anything about human reproduction?

[Mister Agenda]

Is there anything wrong with being a baby?
Were the babies harming anyone else?
Is there any reason to kill babies for being babies?

The answer of all these is no. Therefore abortion is wrong and should be stopped

ba·by/ˈbābē/
noun
1.a very young child, especially one newly or recently born.
2.a young woman or a person with whom one is having a romantic relationship (often as a form of address).

It's wrong to kill babies. Even if it weren't problematic in terms of stage of development, it is no longer a part of the pregnant woman's body. A fetus doesn't become a baby until it is born, though, no matter how many times you call it a baby to generate a false equivalency, it simply is not a baby. Can you not feel sufficient sympathy with it if it's called a fetus?

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Why should I convert?

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No what really annoys me is when fetuses are aborted at 24 weeks old, at this age a baby can survive being born, it is therefore alive.

Yet, your position is that they shouldn't be aborted at one week, either. If the 24 week old ones are what really bother you, why not focus on them? The essence of your argument so far has been they are morally all the same, from one minute after conception to old age.

[Tonus]

Well I want to give a choice for the mother and the foetus.

I say we give them a ballot to fill out.

[DramaQueen]

Carm, please read a textbook!

[Minimalist]

Well I want to give a choice for the mother and the foetus.

No, you do not. You want to substitute your fucking beliefs for anyone's right to choose.
You were pegged as a bullshit artist long ago.

[Mister Agenda]

Let me put it this way, you want to choice for everyone right. Well so do I encluding the foetus.

The fetus is not capable of making choices. That's one of the things that make it not fully human.

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That is why I have already said it is not to do wih my religious beliefs. I honestly do think it is murder.

What everyone is wondering, in the absence of your religious beliefs being the reason, is why?

For example, I would think killing YOU is murder because: it's legally defined as murder and I think the definition is correct because you are a human being with all the rights, privileges, and necessary attributes thereof.

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Great to see that you think that it is acceptable. It is really messed up when someone supports racism.

Is the reason you think it's great because it gives you that tingly 'I'm superior' feeling inside?

Acknowledging that it wasn't murder under Nazi law doesn't mean she considers it acceptable.

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@C4RM5...

Give it up pal. Attempting to instruct those bent on destruction and selfishness in the ways of compassion and peace is akin to banging your head against a wall. Let them kill their children if that is what they choose, at least that leaves a few less to carry on the tradition of ignorance.

So YOU thought she was saying the Nazis killing Jews not being murder means she thinks it is acceptable too? Have you been this dense all along and I only just noticed, or is it a new development.

Nothing succeeds in reducing the number of abortions than comprehensive sexual education combined with ready access to birth control; which most of the same people who are pro-life are also against. Pro-choice atheists have a lower-rate of abortion than pro-lifers because on average, we don't get pregnant when we don't want to as much.

And while I'm expounding, most of the women who get abortions in the USA already have children (about 60%). Over 80% are over 20. However, they also tend to be under the poverty line (over 40% under, 69% under or near) as unwanted pregancies have declined in wealthier demographics who can afford a variety of birth control methods; they've risen among poor women of color thanks to the efforts of pro-lifers opposing organizations like Planned Parenthood who are the main source of birth control supplies among poor women.

'Pro-lifers' are not actually against abortion, or they'd support approaches that actually reduce abortion. They've got their panties in a twist about toleration of abortion. There are plenty of places where abortion is illegal where it actually occurs at higher rates than it does in the USA, but the majority of USA pro-life advocates would consider more actual abortions a small price to pay for the satisfaction of being able to say they're illegal.

[Jenny A]

Lets try it this way. What makes a human a human?

Or try this one, when a person is brain dead, is it okay to turn off life support?

Let me put it this way will a brain dead human sunddenly become mentally active, No but a foetus will turn into a funtional human being.

You left out the central question. What makes a human a human? An embryo has the potential to become a human, but it isn't yet. Nuts have the potential to become trees, but they aren't trees yet. Fertilized bird eggs have the potential to become birds, but they aren't birds yet.

If you want to set a moral line, you need to know when that embryo becomes human. To do that you'd better have a good definition of human.

Don't say merely having the genetics, because the brain dead body and the corpse have those and so does my dandruff.

[C4RM5]

I know I foetus can't make choices but this doesn't mean that the human it will become shouldn't be allowed a choice.

The reason for me opposing it in the absence of my religion is that I don't think it is moral preventing people from living.

I know, under law the Holocaust was legal bit she thinks it is wrong, under law abortion is legal but I think it is wrong,so what is your problem with me being against abortion.

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I don't care when a human becomes a human I just don't like it when people are prevented from living.

[DramaQueen]

People?

[C4RM5]

Yes that is generally the plural word used when referring to multiple humans