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RE: My honest review of Christianity
October 19, 2014 at 8:26 am
(October 19, 2014 at 7:59 am)Rhythm Wrote: You must think it's possible that both Hinduism and Christianity are simultaneously true, then, if one is just "more true" than the other? I'd love to see an elaboration of why/how the two religious viewpoints have some compatible relationship or interpretation. Probably make a good thread. I'd love to hear that myself too actually, cause as far as I know they are pretty much contradictory.
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RE: My honest review of Christianity
October 19, 2014 at 8:29 am
(October 19, 2014 at 8:26 am)Aoi Magi Wrote: (October 19, 2014 at 7:59 am)Rhythm Wrote: You must think it's possible that both Hinduism and Christianity are simultaneously true, then, if one is just "more true" than the other? I'd love to see an elaboration of why/how the two religious viewpoints have some compatible relationship or interpretation. Probably make a good thread. I'd love to hear that myself too actually, cause as far as I know they are pretty much contradictory.
It is all moving the goal posts and cherry picking. It avoids the truth that any good motifs or stories found in others religions proves that it is not the religion or book doing it, but humans evolutionary empathy doing it.
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RE: My honest review of Christianity
October 19, 2014 at 8:44 am
Unlike the monotheistic religions though, polytheism has multiple interchangeable goal posts, and cherry-picking usually comes as a part of the package so it is a lot harder to deal with
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RE: My honest review of Christianity
October 19, 2014 at 1:40 pm
(October 19, 2014 at 8:26 am)Aoi Magi Wrote: (October 19, 2014 at 7:59 am)Rhythm Wrote: You must think it's possible that both Hinduism and Christianity are simultaneously true, then, if one is just "more true" than the other? I'd love to see an elaboration of why/how the two religious viewpoints have some compatible relationship or interpretation. Probably make a good thread. I'd love to hear that myself too actually, cause as far as I know they are pretty much contradictory.
Yeah I was never practising hindu. Just born one.
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RE: My honest review of Christianity
October 19, 2014 at 5:09 pm
(October 18, 2014 at 7:29 am)Aractus Wrote: Nowhere in the Christian bible is either rape or paedophilia condoned.
Deuteronomy 20:10-14
As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you.
Deuteronomy 22:28-29
If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.
There are many more.
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RE: My honest review of Christianity
October 19, 2014 at 5:28 pm
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(October 19, 2014 at 5:09 pm)Chas Wrote: Deuteronomy 20:10-14
As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you.
No pedophilia or rape condoned here.
Quote:Deuteronomy 22:28-29
If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.
No pedophilia or rape condoned here.
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RE: My honest review of Christianity
October 19, 2014 at 5:40 pm
And white is now black...
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RE: My honest review of Christianity
October 19, 2014 at 6:05 pm
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(October 19, 2014 at 5:28 pm)Lek Wrote: (October 19, 2014 at 5:09 pm)Chas Wrote: Deuteronomy 20:10-14
As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you.
No pedophilia or rape condoned here.
Quote:Deuteronomy 22:28-29
If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.
No pedophilia or rape condoned here.
Wow. Really?
2 Samuel 12:11-14
Thus says the Lord: 'I will bring evil upon you out of your own house. I will take your wives [plural] while you live to see it, and will give them to your neighbor. He shall lie with your wives in broad daylight. You have done this deed in secret, but I will bring it about in the presence of all Israel, and with the sun looking down.'
Then David said to Nathan, "I have sinned against the Lord." Nathan answered David: "The Lord on his part has forgiven your sin: you shall not die. But since you have utterly spurned the Lord by this deed, the child born to you must surely die."
2 Samuel 12:11-14
Thus says the Lord: 'I will bring evil upon you out of your own house. I will take your wives [plural] while you live to see it, and will give them to your neighbor. He shall lie with your wives in broad daylight. You have done this deed in secret, but I will bring it about in the presence of all Israel, and with the sun looking down.'
Then David said to Nathan, "I have sinned against the Lord." Nathan answered David: "The Lord on his part has forgiven your sin: you shall not die. But since you have utterly spurned the Lord by this deed, the child born to you must surely die."
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RE: My honest review of Christianity
October 19, 2014 at 7:23 pm
(October 19, 2014 at 6:05 pm)Chas Wrote: Wow. Really?
2 Samuel 12:11-14
Thus says the Lord: 'I will bring evil upon you out of your own house. I will take your wives [plural] while you live to see it, and will give them to your neighbor. He shall lie with your wives in broad daylight. You have done this deed in secret, but I will bring it about in the presence of all Israel, and with the sun looking down.'
Then David said to Nathan, "I have sinned against the Lord." Nathan answered David: "The Lord on his part has forgiven your sin: you shall not die. But since you have utterly spurned the Lord by this deed, the child born to you must surely die."
These verses refer to God's punishment of King David for his adultery with Bathsheba and the murder of her husband. This promise was fulfilled when David's son Absalom rebelled against David and took his father's concubines and had sex with them. God allowed this to happen just as he allowed countless acts of evil happen. God didn't go to Absalom and tell him to capture David's concubine and rape them, the same as he didn't order the Babylonians to capture and destroy Jerusalem and take the Israelites into captivity as slaves. Absalom committed these acts according to his own choosing after listening to bad advice from his young and inexperienced advisors. It turned out to be a bad decision, by the way for him. God often used evil nations to punish Israel for their disobedience.
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RE: My honest review of Christianity
October 19, 2014 at 7:45 pm
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(October 19, 2014 at 7:23 pm)Lek Wrote: (October 19, 2014 at 6:05 pm)Chas Wrote: Wow. Really?
2 Samuel 12:11-14
Thus says the Lord: 'I will bring evil upon you out of your own house. I will take your wives [plural] while you live to see it, and will give them to your neighbor. He shall lie with your wives in broad daylight. You have done this deed in secret, but I will bring it about in the presence of all Israel, and with the sun looking down.'
Then David said to Nathan, "I have sinned against the Lord." Nathan answered David: "The Lord on his part has forgiven your sin: you shall not die. But since you have utterly spurned the Lord by this deed, the child born to you must surely die."
These verses refer to God's punishment of King David for his adultery with Bathsheba and the murder of her husband. This promise was fulfilled when David's son Absalom rebelled against David and took his father's concubines and had sex with them. God allowed this to happen just as he allowed countless acts of evil happen. God didn't go to Absalom and tell him to capture David's concubine and rape them, the same as he didn't order the Babylonians to capture and destroy Jerusalem and take the Israelites into captivity as slaves. Absalom committed these acts according to his own choosing after listening to bad advice from his young and inexperienced advisors. It turned out to be a bad decision, by the way for him. God often used evil nations to punish Israel for their disobedience.
Yeah, interpret away all that active language: "I will bring," "I will take," "I will give," and "I will bring down," and call it "allow." Why not? I'm sure all God meant was I'll let people have free will to hurt you.
Did he also just let David and Bathsheba's son die, or did he mean it when he said: "The Lord has remitted your sin, you shall not die. However since you have spurned the enemies of the Lord by this deed, even the child about to be born to you shall die."
So David's sin is remitted in return for the life of an innocent child. God's justice. Gotta love it.
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