This Is Not My Allah - Press Conference

[mralstoner]

More from the Moral Courage + Intellectual Bankruptcy category ...

Brave Turkish journalist Rabia Kazan launches her This Is Not My Allah campaign with much courage but very little intellectual counter-argument to the extremist interpretation of Islam.

It's basically a plea to imams, mothers, artists, and teachers, to teach a secular, tolerant version of Islam. Much like a drug campaign: just say no.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BD_w7L4dmj8

Imagine a god: he lets children be raped, fathers murdered, mothers sold, he orders people beheaded. What kind of god is he? Could a god be that bad? I don't believe in this kind of Allah. He is not my Allah...

I am asking leaders of Islam ... stand against jihadist ideology ... with a reformist approach. I am calling for secular interpretation of Islam: co-exist with ...... I call upon imams to teach the full truths that Islam involves concepts such as brotherhood, sisterhood, love, tolerance, and helping one another...

So, there's no serious counter-arguments here, there's nothing addressing the barbaric head-chopping, raping, torturing, enslaving example of the prophet Mohammed himself.

It's all heart, and no head.

So, it's bound to fail, in my opinion. But then, I don't see how it's possible to reform this barbaric religion at all.

[Aoi Magi]

But then, I don't see how it's possible to reform this barbaric religion at all.

OT -> NT

[mralstoner]

But then, I don't see how it's possible to reform this barbaric religion at all.

OT -> NT

Yeah, good luck with that. The language of the Koran is repeatedly to "fight the unbelievers wherever you find them" i.e. carte blanche, timeless marching orders. The language of the Old Testament (so I've heard) is directed as specific people i.e. Hittite, Girgashite, Amorite, Canaanite, Perizzite, Hivite, or Jebusite. So, that made it possible for a Jesus to come along with "love thy neighbour" and instantly relegate the OT into time-specific irrelevancy (generally speaking).

Actually, come to think of it, Robert Spencer said Jews have also generally not taken that OT violence as timeless marching orders.

No such luck with Islam. Mohammed is supposed to be the last prophet. That's it. Ain't no Jesus coming to reform Islam. Apples and oranges. That's why reform of Islam is seemingly impossible.

Mohammed is held up in the Koran to be the perfect role model "a beautiful pattern of conduct". When you look at the life of Mohammed, it's the same as ISIS, head-chop here, rape there, etc. Mohammed is the "perfect" and final prophet. If you speak a bad word about Mohammed, it's off with your head. So, there's no scope for a post-Mohammed pacifier to come along. None.

[Aoi Magi]

The OT also contains enough violence towards non-believers irrespective of who they are. Religions are born from society, so put enough pressure on it and it will reform.

[mralstoner]

The OT also contains enough violence towards non-believers irrespective of who they are. Religions are born from society, so put enough pressure on it and it will reform.

So go ahead and quote the OT verses that command Jews to generally fight non-believers, as opposed to fighting specific people. There's a tonne in the Koran. I haven't seen any such open-ended verses in the OT that command fighting any-and-all non-believers.

[Cato]

So, there's no serious counter-arguments here, there's nothing addressing the barbaric head-chopping, raping, torturing, enslaving example of the prophet Mohammed himself.

I think you might be misunderstanding what's going on here. Serious arguments against the atrocities you listed are readily available. The fact is that they are ignored; not that they are unknown or misunderstood.

I seriously doubt that formally presented arguments against the listed atrocities will result in Islamist leadership saying, "You know boys, the kafirs are on to something here. It's time to put away your dicks and lay down the machetes."

[Aoi Magi]

The OT also contains enough violence towards non-believers irrespective of who they are. Religions are born from society, so put enough pressure on it and it will reform.

So go ahead and quote the OT verses that command Jews to generally fight non-believers, as opposed to fighting specific people. There's a tonne in the Koran. I haven't seen any such open-ended verses in the OT that command fighting any-and-all non-believers.

You missed the point, NT is not exactly an extension of OT, cause JC had to flat out contradict the OT at places to make room for NT. Even with the NT in place, how many different churches with different interpretations of the same text do you think exists?

I must say I am not too familiar with the Quran, but religious texts always maintain a healthy dose of loopholes to weasel out of any situation. I am pretty sure they will have a loophole somewhere to overwrite or reinterpret the text when it suits their needs.

As for an example of violence:

Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19)

If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12)

there are probably more, but this should make the point clear.

[DramaQueen]

First step: get rid of the hadiths

[vorlon13]

"Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live" is a commandment to slay all women of faiths other than OT Judaism.

[Minimalist]

They were threatening to kill her just for taking off her headscarf.

http://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2013...-veil-off/

The activist, Rabia Kazan, a columnist for 5 years in Ortadoğu Gazetesi, which is a nationalist Turkish newspaper, and the author of a book titled “Tahran Melekleri” (Angels of Tehran) in which she reviewed temporary marriage in Iran, (a sort of legal prostitution) has been receiving serious death threats from the Fanatic Islamic Community after making her decision to not wear a headscarf, which she was forced to wear by her mother in her childhood.

This latest atrocity should drive them up the fucking wall.

The problem with islam seems to be that you have way too many unstable people who take this shit seriously.