God loves you

[Mystic]

For giving me family that love me, the relationship of parents, family, and friends, I see a loving force that deserves to be loved. He has provided us with support we need to endure this troubling world, and it's but a fleeting moment until we make it to the other side.

You do know that 25,000 people die of starvation every day, right? Most of them children.

Where exactly is this loving force that you claim exists?

What you are describing is an evil, hateful force, that gives you a loving family, and causes 10,000 times you to starve to death every day.

He has given them a spirit and love and their hope will be meant in a better life to come.

The system is designed to be a natural world. He doesn't go out of his way to make kids starve. He doesn't go out of his way to create earthquakes or create diseases. These are part of the natural evolution of the world.

I think their is wisdom in creating a natural universe. I just see the one who created it from the start had love in mind.

[DramaQueen]

Der iz nuo evidans mon

[Mystic]

As a deist I'm not sure why you'd care to thank your god, because deistic gods don't really care about you.

Being grateful is healthy for one's soul. And thankful type of love to those who deserve our appreciation is healthy for our souls as well. I enjoy loving God. Deistic gods don't need to believed to care about us, but, they can believed to care about us. I don't worship God out of fear of punishment or a command, I love him and appreciate him as a being worthy of worship out of my own free-will.

[The Valkyrie]

You do know that 25,000 people die of starvation every day, right? Most of them children.

Where exactly is this loving force that you claim exists?

What you are describing is an evil, hateful force, that gives you a loving family, and causes 10,000 times you to starve to death every day.

He has given them a spirit and love and their hope will be meant in a better life to come.

The system is designed to be a natural world. He doesn't go out of his way to make kids starve. He doesn't go out of his way to create earthquakes or create diseases. These are part of the natural evolution of the world.

I think their is wisdom in creating a natural universe. I just see the one who created it from the start had love in mind.

That sounds almost Catholic in nature, "suffering is good".

I don't know about the tenets of Islam and if suffering is one of them but it always strikes me as a weak justification.

[Chad32]

He doesn't seem to go out of his way to do anything, since your life could be good or bad regardless of which god you believe in. Outside of believers causing you problems for believing in the "wrong" god, or not believing at all.

[Mystic]

He has given them a spirit and love and their hope will be meant in a better life to come.

The system is designed to be a natural world. He doesn't go out of his way to make kids starve. He doesn't go out of his way to create earthquakes or create diseases. These are part of the natural evolution of the world.

I think their is wisdom in creating a natural universe. I just see the one who created it from the start had love in mind.

That sounds almost Catholic in nature, "suffering is good".

I don't know about the tenets of Islam and if suffering is one of them but it always strikes me as a weak justification.

Suffering isn't good. It can be a cause of good in a overall system however, but it doesn't mean all forms of it are good or we should not try to avoid it or decrease it for others. For one the very benefits of having it is the compassion to alleviate suffering from one another and trying to find peace. Having a natural universe I believe is wiser then a perfect universe for the first life. I believe the next life is where the universe and life would be different but that this life is where we make relationships, get our own judgement, make friends, make our mark in the world, leave a legacy, and do our best to bring about good to the world. The next world is where everything is made perfect for us. So it's upon us to hope and be patient.

In Islam, patience is seen as such a high virtue that thousands of degrees of rank will be given for it.

I would think a better word would be serenity.

We need
Serenity to accept what we can't change
Courage to change what we can
And wisdom to know the difference.

Just to live according to these words, I think it's worth it to have this troubling world.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

He has given them a spirit and love and their hope will be meant in a better life to come.

The system is designed to be a natural world. He doesn't go out of his way to make kids starve. He doesn't go out of his way to create earthquakes or create diseases. These are part of the natural evolution of the world.

I think their is wisdom in creating a natural universe. I just see the one who created it from the start had love in mind.

How do you explain 'spirit', 'love' and a 'better life to come' to a six months old child whose only sensation, whose only awareness is the gnawing, twisting pain in her belly because she hasn't fed in three days? How do you explain these things to the child who watches his parents and siblings slowly waste away to nothing from the ravages of malnutrition that proceeds quickly to starvation?

Perhaps God doesn't go out of his way to starve little kids or to bury them under mudslides or to leave them dead of AIDS or scurvy or - even worse - made orphans to these same diseases. But if there is a God, the evidence shows that he does precious little to prevent it.

It's a funny kind of love that provides all the horrors of wrecked villages, starvation, disease, blindness, pain, thirst, etc ad nauseum and doesn't seem to care to lift a divine finger to ameliorate a single one of these conditions.

The hardest thing I've ever done in my life was when I was a volunteer at a children's burn unit at a Belfast hospital. I strongly suggest you do something similar. Walk through a burn ward, then come back and tell me how much God loves everyone.

Fuck you.

Boru

[Mystic]

He doesn't seem to go out of his way to do anything, since your life could be good or bad regardless of which god you believe in. Outside of believers causing you problems for believing in the "wrong" god, or not believing at all.

I think to be honest, that with loved of the divine, life is good no matter what. As long as we have God, then all that we don't have it is nothing compared to that.

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He has given them a spirit and love and their hope will be meant in a better life to come.

The system is designed to be a natural world. He doesn't go out of his way to make kids starve. He doesn't go out of his way to create earthquakes or create diseases. These are part of the natural evolution of the world.

I think their is wisdom in creating a natural universe. I just see the one who created it from the start had love in mind.

How do you explain 'spirit', 'love' and a 'better life to come' to a six months old child whose only sensation, whose only awareness is the gnawing, twisting pain in her belly because she hasn't fed in three days? How do you explain these things to the child who watches his parents and siblings slowly waste away to nothing from the ravages of malnutrition that proceeds quickly to starvation?

Perhaps God doesn't go out of his way to starve little kids or to bury them under mudslides or to leave them dead of AIDS or scurvy or - even worse - made orphans to these same diseases. But if there is a God, the evidence shows that he does precious little to prevent it.

It's a funny kind of love that provides all the horrors of wrecked villages, starvation, disease, blindness, pain, thirst, etc ad nauseum and doesn't seem to care to lift a divine finger to ameliorate a single one of these conditions.

The hardest thing I've ever done in my life was when I was a volunteer at a children's burn unit at a Belfast hospital. I strongly suggest you do something similar. Walk through a burn ward, then come back and tell me how much God loves everyone.

Fuck you.

Boru

Most people who suffer have serenity to accept what they go through. They don't become bitter over it. Sure they wish it could be otherwise, but they have serenity. As I said, God doesn't go out of his way to burn people in fires, or cause diseases or cause poverty...this all part of the natural universe we are in. He created a natural universe yes, but he isn't picking people to suffer.

[Chad32]

Just because they have been conditioned to feel normal about it, doesn't lessen the situation. What does it matter whether they're bitter about it or not?

If you have the power to save someone, but let them die anyway, you are partially responsible for their death.

If you think life is good no matter what, I encourage you to sell everything you own, and give everything that's asked up to the shirt off your back, and walk proudly with Jesus.

[Mystic]

If you think life is good no matter what, I encourage you to sell everything you own, and give everything that's asked up to the shirt off your back, and walk proudly with Jesus.

That would be imposing hardship on myself with no reason to. It's better for me to become a productive member of society and spend wealth moderately in help of poor and oppressed. This would be a mindless thing to do. However, if the situation ever is that, I have nothing, as I said, I still have God, and when we have God, nothing we don't have can't be compared to it. This is how I feel. You may disagree. It's a subjective thing, but, God is the beloved of the hearts and the greatest gift and reward in my eyes.