Atheists only: Do you believe in Absolute/Universal Truth?

[Tsun Tsu]

Hello!
By this I mean do you believe truths exist that are ALWAYS true regardless of time, location, or circumstance? I don't intend to challenge any belief in this thread... I am simply taking note of them and categorizing them statistically.

Universal/Absolute truth would imply the existence of God, as it goes beyond chemical reaction and matter. It is a spiritual concept, for instance "thou shalt do no murder" would be considered by a theist to be universally/absolutely true. "For God so loved the world" would be another truth they recognize as universal.

So does the Atheist believe in a spiritual concept, or do they believe absolute/universal truth does not exist?

When you vote, please offer your thoughts as well, and thank you very much!

[Chas]

Hello!
By this I mean do you believe truths exist that are ALWAYS true regardless of time, location, or circumstance? I don't intend to challenge any belief in this thread... I am simply taking note of them and categorizing them statistically.

Universal/Absolute truth would imply the existence of God, as it goes beyond chemical reaction and matter. It is a spiritual concept, for instance "thou shalt do no murder" would be considered by a theist to be universally/absolutely true. "For God so loved the world" would be another truth they recognize as universal.

So does the Atheist believe in a spiritual concept, or do they believe absolute/universal truth does not exist?

When you vote, please offer your thoughts as well, and thank you very much!

Your question is too broad. Do you mean ideas? morals? rules? laws?
There appear to be universal truths about the physical universe, but I suspect you don't mean that.

[JesusHChrist]

I believe absolute reality exists. If it didn't exist, it wouldn't be real. Truth = that which is real.

Sounds like an axiom.

How much we humans have access to that reality is the debatable part.

As for any other kinds of "truth", those would seem to fall into the subjective camp.

[Tsun Tsu]

Hello!
By this I mean do you believe truths exist that are ALWAYS true regardless of time, location, or circumstance? I don't intend to challenge any belief in this thread... I am simply taking note of them and categorizing them statistically.

Universal/Absolute truth would imply the existence of God, as it goes beyond chemical reaction and matter. It is a spiritual concept, for instance "thou shalt do no murder" would be considered by a theist to be universally/absolutely true. "For God so loved the world" would be another truth they recognize as universal.

So does the Atheist believe in a spiritual concept, or do they believe absolute/universal truth does not exist?

When you vote, please offer your thoughts as well, and thank you very much!

Your question is too broad. Do you mean ideas? morals? rules? laws?
There appear to be universal truths about the physical universe, but I suspect you don't mean that.

I am posting this for theists in another section. This is specifically referring to moral truth.

[Aoi Magi]

Did you really need to post the same thing in two threads?

Oh well,
morality is a mental construct of humans, there is no absolute truth about it.
However there are universal truths, which you can consider to be absolute for now, at least until we find a different universe with different set of rules.


And for the umpteenth time

Truth/Pattern/Beauty/e.t.c DOES NOT imply god.


Please update the poll question to reflect that you specifically mean universal moral truth.

[Alex K]

Why does absolute truth imply God, as you claim?

Anyways, so you are referring to moral truth here, right? May I ask what that means, moral truth?

[Esquilax]

Hello!
By this I mean do you believe truths exist that are ALWAYS true regardless of time, location, or circumstance? I don't intend to challenge any belief in this thread... I am simply taking note of them and categorizing them statistically.

Truth is contingent upon reality; a statement cannot be true without a real world of which it can describe an accurate aspect thereof. If reality- context- changes, then so does the corresponding truth. For example, the statement "the sky is blue," is true right now relative to me, because it's a cloudless day where I am, and it's sunny out. However, in a few hours the sun will set, and that statement will become false, whereas the statement accurately describing the color of the sunset will become true.

Universal/Absolute truth would imply the existence of God, as it goes beyond chemical reaction and matter.

Not necessarily. It would just mean that that truth is consistent across all of reality, and stably so. Hell, without even demonstrating that god is the only thing "beyond chemical reaction and matter," there would be numerous other possibilities, even if we took your assertion at face value.

It is a spiritual concept, for instance "thou shalt do no murder" would be considered by a theist to be universally/absolutely true.

But that's not a truth statement, it's a command. It is neither true, nor false. Even if you say it's a command from god, it's only reflective of god's orders, possibly his opinions beyond that, certainly not some objective or absolute truth. It's not a statement that describes reality, how could it be determined true or false?

Now, if you were to formulate it correctly, say "it is morally wrong to murder," well, I think you'd find leeway even there. Is it morally wrong to murder, even if that one murder is the only way to save ten more, say, from a serial killer? What about a hundred lives for that one? A thousand?

"For God so loved the world" would be another truth they recognize as universal.

Well, at least that one's a truth statement, kinda. Still pretty subjective, though. Hard to demonstrate.

So does the Atheist believe in a spiritual concept, or do they believe absolute/universal truth does not exist?

I reject that it is a spiritual concept.

[Tsun Tsu]

I believe absolute reality exists. If it didn't exist, it wouldn't be real. Truth = that which is real.

Sounds like an axiom.

How much we humans have access to that reality is the debatable part.

As for any other kinds of "truth", those would seem to fall into the subjective camp.

Yes, ut this is specifically referring to moral truths... do you believe in an absolutely true universal moral law?

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I believe absolute reality exists. If it didn't exist, it wouldn't be real. Truth = that which is real.

Sounds like an axiom.

How much we humans have access to that reality is the debatable part.

As for any other kinds of "truth", those would seem to fall into the subjective camp.

Yes, but this is specifically referring to moral truths... do you believe in an absolutely true universal moral law?

[Chas]

Yes, but this is specifically referring to moral truths... do you believe in an absolutely true universal moral law?

I suggest that, in the future, ask the question you mean to ask.

Maybe you or a Mod can fix the poll question.

[JesusHChrist]

Yes, ut this is specifically referring to moral truths... do you believe in an absolutely true universal moral law?

No.

Yes, but this is specifically referring to moral truths... do you believe in an absolutely true universal moral law?

No.