a contribution by a muslim.

[jesus_wept]

You are welcome.

But nothing was out of context ; I actually read the whole comment.
You hear about people being "skinned alive" and butchered -and these are the real documented stories-, and you worry about the fake ones ?

To me, that's a person looking for an excuse or a way out of a crime. Does it even matter what is faked & what is not, when one story is correct and totally true about people being genocide, butchered & killed ?

If the victims weren't muslims, rather -let's say- Christian/Atheist Europeans , would you say the same sentence ?

if 1 story is ACTUALLY documented, then it's a disaster, and a shameful act that shall be carved in blood over Europe's history. Because obviously, your comment makes people "ignore the real stories" and assume the "well some are made up so... it can't be that bad".

Again, you are welcome.

I don't even think you understand what taken out of context means. Reading the whole comment doesn't mean you've not taken it out of context.

Once again, thank you.

[WinterHold]

Are you Bosnian ?

Was. Not anymore...

Religious nuts put me in concentration camp too (for a year).

Water-boarded as well for being who I am. It's all a distant past to me now ...

The fact remains:

Religious people (most of them), when backed in the corner commit atrocities (eye witness here) far worse than you can imagine, and yes, they always somehow justify it trough religion.

They all deny it would ever happen, but it ALWAYS does.

And then apologist like you comes along and start blabbering that's not what religion is all about, well, I say it is, religion IS what religious people make of it, period

I'm sorry. Utterly sorry.
I was never captured, nor tortured, so I'm not even close to know how you feel.
But it's not the religion..it's them. That's why they never win.
That's why, even the Islamic countries, are drenched in hell, because people blamed all their terrible acts on it ; used it as a cover. That's why they never win, these religious nuts I mean.

A scoundrel's talent is to use whatever excuse there is to cover their own shit.

[Mister Agenda]

So basically, what you're saying is that people can and do both good and bad things and make positive or negative ccontributions to society regardless of ideology.

This is news how, exactly?

To be fair, it seems to be news to some of the people who replied to him and seem to consider him subhuman by virtue of the religion to which he belongs. I thought the initial post was kind of pointless...until I saw some of the replies. Then I realized this is not a place where you can assume a Muslim gets any benefit of the doubt on the grounds of common humanity.

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The sarcasm leads me to think it's something I said before ; that you understood in the wrong context.
I never said that an atheist would never do good ; my theory was that under certain conditions, atheism would guide its follower to be more inclined to do bad since there is no believe in an after death judgement dictated by atheism.

And until you rid yourself of this notion, you'll be just as bigoted towards atheists as some atheists are towards you. We're no more inclined to bad than any other demographic: arguably less if you go by our prison representation, but I consider that a temporarry artifact of current conditions.

One result is the atomic bomb. Of course the people who deployed it never feared an afterlife judgement.

You think everyone who worked on the A bomb was an atheist?

[FifthElement]

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But it's not the religion..it's them. That's why they never win.

No.

They will never win because SECULAR democratic societies will keep them in check

[WinterHold]

Mister Agenda

To be fair, it seems to be news to some of the people who replied to him and seem to consider him subhuman by virtue of the religion to which he belongs. I thought the initial post was kind of pointless...until I saw some of the replies. Then I realized this is not a place where you can assume a Muslim gets any benefit of the doubt on the grounds of common humanity.

To check if my current faith is right or not, I must dwell into the depth of hades. That's your forum.
But from the common humanity, there are good people, they come in all shapes & flavors.

Common humanity of course ; when people of certain faith don't horde up like zombies, a mass of with similar mentality or faith = hades.

And until you rid yourself of this notion, you'll be just as bigoted towards atheists as some atheists are towards you. We're no more inclined to bad than any other demographic: arguably less if you go by our prison representation, but I consider that a temporarry artifact of current conditions.

I never questioned your antenas & sensors -i.e your human instinct towards what is bad and what is good-. Some stuff -like the mother love to children- is pure instinct, I never questioned atheists' ability to show emotion or receive one ; understanding what is right or wrong..

Though, it's all about what you do to it after you receive it. Take for example ;

'There are no morals in politics; the is only experience. A scoundrel may be of use because he is a scoundrel'.

Lenin knew the person is a scoundrel ; he also mentioned the word "morals" which means he understood it & even felt it ; hence if he hadn't adopted them himself in his real life -away from political job-.
His atheism though ; made him put forth his personal benefit ahead of others, he minds not working with assholes because it's of benefit to him.

Which means : he can't be trusted ; ever. He might be laughing at my face, while arming a militia back in my bedroom to burn my house.

That's why I came up with the theory.

If any atheist here asked me ; I could've explained. They can criticize Islam's core too (like straight criticizing of verses, or scholar's books...etc).

But some, throw bald, judgmental comments that are not based on criticizing islam's core, rather on watching fox news & MSM then repeat here, which is boring.

You think everyone who worked on the A bomb was an atheist?

No, because I'm sure there was a lot of "redneck christian extremists" or "christianists" who viewed the Japanese as pagan asian freaks who are not white, not christian, must die. Christians don't fear judgement because of the concept of christ's sacrifice ; you see they already see that they are saved so..I can't consider that fear of judgement.

Of course there were atheist nationalists who only wanted to see a big asian meal cooking to death while saying " 'MERICA ; FUCK YEAH ! ".

And some chicken shits who couldn't take the trench warfare any longer.

Then more atheist/irreligious politicians who want to rise as a superpower.

[simplemoss]

Who cares if you do bad if u kill in the name of god, all your sins will be forgiven you will given 73 virgins and all delicious cake you can eat for eternity. So if all atheists are bad why aren't there more atheists wearing suicide vests?

[Thumpalumpacus]

..funny thing is that after all these years, the USA did use atomic weapons against Iraq in the 80s, the famous mini-nuke shell was famously called "silver bullet", you can google it ; it's mainly anti-tank, and radio-active tanks still exist in the Iraqi desert.

This is false. Depleted uranium ammunition was used both in the main armament of the M1A1 Abrams tank, and in the 30mm cannons of both the AH-1 attack helo and the A-10 ground-attack aircraft.

Those rounds aren't "mini-nukes". The uranium is in a portion of the cone of the round, allow armor penetration, and not only does it not explode, if it did it would negate the purpose of using it, which is to allow for armor penetration. Calling these rounds "atomic weapons" or "mini-nukes" is simply wrong, in that sense.

Do they use material that is radioactive at short distances? Yes. Does the quoted poster also mention that the M1A1 also used depleted uranium armor, thereby exposing US soldiers to the same radiation even more than the Iraqi soldiers? No, of course not, because that doesn't fit his narrative.

The gist of this post is false insofar as he is comparing these rounds to the nuclear bombs which incinerated two cities. That renders his post an appeal to fear and fallacious on those grounds.

Also, AtlasS you did indeed stereotype atheists in one of your other threads. I should think that you would be a little more aware of such sloppy thining, not to say bigotry, being as how you probably receive much stereotyping as well.

[jesus_wept]

Muslims who go on about discrimination, bigotry and islamophobia amuse me because they never mention that their holy book forbids them from making friends with non-muslims and bans non-muslims from entering Mecca because they're unclean (or entering their sacred mosque at least, which is interpreted to mean Mecca and Medina). Its pure hypocricy IMO and a perfect example of the pot calling the kettle black.

Is kafirphobia a thing? If it isn't it should be. A quick read it of the quran shows it to be the most kafirphobic book in existence.

[WinterHold]

Who cares if you do bad if u kill in the name of god, all your sins will be forgiven you will given 73 virgins and all delicious cake you can eat for eternity. So if all atheists are bad why aren't there more atheists wearing suicide vests?

Oh boy back to the 73 virgins..
That's a hadith, noodlehead. Which literally has no credibility.

Parkers Tan

I did play call of duty & fallout, believe me I totally know the difference between a "nuke" and a "uranium stuffed bullet".

I said mini-nuke to make things clearer ; that the silver bullet is a type of nuclear arsenal that produce RADIATIONS, and capable of turning small areas of impact into radioactive regions for a while.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depleted_uranium

http://rense.com/general56/dep.htm

Quoting from wikipedia :

Nuclear weapons[edit]
Main article: Nuclear weapons design
Depleted uranium is used as a tamper in fission bombs.

Health considerations[edit]
Normal functioning of the kidney, brain, liver, heart, and numerous other systems can be affected by uranium exposure because, in addition to being weakly radioactive

So in other words ; it's a very very very small tactical-nuke.
My comment wasn't that naked.

Do they use material that is radioactive at short distances? Yes. Does the quoted poster also mention that the M1A1 also used depleted uranium armor, thereby exposing US soldiers to the same radiation even more than the Iraqi soldiers? No, of course not, because that doesn't fit his narrative.

Um, no. I don't care about the inhuman acts America does to its soldiers, yet I care about the poor Ali-Babas & Fatimas who died by these weapons or got sick because of its radioactivity.

This one report for example is what I care for :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uranium_in_the_environment

The aerosol produced during impact and combustion of depleted uranium munitions can potentially contaminate wide areas around the impact sites leading to possible inhalation by human beings.[23] During a three-week period of conflict in 2003 in Iraq, 1,000 to 2,000 tonnes of DU munitions were used.[24]

BTW, I don't hate atheists..
I wouldn't be here if I hate them.

[Chas]

No, because I'm sure there was a lot of "redneck christian extremists" or "christianists" who viewed the Japanese as pagan asian freaks who are not white, not christian, must die. Christians don't fear judgement because of the concept of christ's sacrifice ; you see they already see that they are saved so..I can't consider that fear of judgement.

Of course there were atheist nationalists who only wanted to see a big asian meal cooking to death while saying " 'MERICA ; FUCK YEAH ! ".

And some chicken shits who couldn't take the trench warfare any longer.

Then more atheist/irreligious politicians who want to rise as a superpower.

The U.S. effort to build an atomic bomb was a reaction to the Nazis' effort to build one.

But, please, don't let facts get in the way of your preconceptions.