Kirk Cameron-Don't drink the koolaid and think Christmas had pagan origins.

[abaris]

@ "Where is the god of tits and wine?"


-are they interviewing for that? Just so happens I have a resume drawn up that notes my relevant expertise.......

That job's already taken by Dionysos.

[vorlon13]

I hope school board members and school administrators across the country are absolutely thrilled to death I don't have a kid in school and that I am eager to have our family religious views noted as being on par with all the others.

Penis shaped jello molds in the cafeteria !!!

Fleshlight demonstrations during assembly !!!

Chuck Norris: Secret Bottom?? unit in Social Studies class !!!

[Cyberman]

Including the fur tree which does grow in the middle east!

I have a fur tree, if any ladies want to park their special gifts around its base.

[The Grand Nudger]

That job's already taken by Dionysos.

Yeah, yeah, pretty sure "Dionysos" is a vacant job title, not a proper noun.

[abaris]

Yeah, yeah, pretty sure "Dionysos" is a vacant job title, and it's my namesake anyway.

I don't think, he ever quit. Not with all the benefits involved.

[downbeatplumb]

@ "Where is the god of tits and wine?"


-are they interviewing for that? Just so happens I have a resume drawn up that notes my relevant expertise.......

Wouldn't that be bacchus?

[The Grand Nudger]

That's the way we tend to interpret it. But, and this is just some random thought on the matter. It might be more accurate to think of Bacchus as a harvest god (although a very good case can be made for Bacchus having been a revelatory god, an epiphany machine....the wine and tits being incidentals). What that harvest meant -to those people- is what Bacchus was the god of (consider, for example, that many farmers pray to jesus for good crops - and all of the bounty and excess that this entails, this does not make jesus the "god of corn" -or- the god of bounty or excess). The wine and debauchery bit makes for a good rag though. Especially (I'd say) if you're a stilted christian monk writing the "histories" of other religions.

[abaris]

Especially (I'd say) if you're a stilted christian monk writing the "histories" of other religions.

Being a monk wasn't that bad in the Middle ages. Each monk of St. Gallen was granted five liters of beer a day. They brewed it themselves.

Also I remember reading that monks when visiting the diet of Worms were provided with an equal quantity of wine. Per day of course.

[Thumpalumpacus]

Kirk Cameron isn't very well-read. So what's the big deal. You guys celebrate Christmas, don't you?

I celebrate it as a secular holiday: "Peace on Earth, good will towards men" is a much better message than any tripe I've ever heard sitting in a pew.

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What does December 25th have to do with paganism?

You may perhaps wish to look into the roots of the holiday.

Here's a hint: it's a celebration of winter solstice -- celebrating the fact that the days will henceforth be getting longer and not shorter.

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Does it bother you to celebrate Christmas, which was established by christians to celebrate the birth of Christ, and use it as an occasion to celebrate for your own reasons?

Nope. Probably has something to do with the fact that I'm not worshipping some deity whose birth has clearly been mythologized.

Now, were I still a believer, it would bother me to no end to know that men assigned my Lord a birthday based upon ratings, and not historical truth ... but then again, the latter seems to be in awful short supply concerning said deity.

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Just spitballing here, but maybe whats needed is a committee of tits and wine? The breadth of the subject almost begs for many voices.

Having managed an adult shop for six years, I feel I could lend a certain expertise to this committee.

[Lek]

What does December 25th have to do with paganism?

You may perhaps wish to look into the roots of the holiday.

Here's a hint: it's a celebration of winter solstice -- celebrating the fact that the days will henceforth be getting longer and not shorter.

You quoted me out of context. Here's the entire quote.

FatAndFaithless Wrote:
What does December 25th have to do with Jesus? I have a nicely decorated tree with gifts for and from loved ones while we watch movies around a fire. No Jesus needed.

What does December 25th have to do with paganism? To me it's a celebration of the birth of Christ. I don't care if they picked a pagan holiday to celebrate it. I imagine they did it to direct attention away from paganism and toward christianity.

Having managed an adult shop for six years, I feel I could lend a certain expertise to this committee.

I love how you call them "adult shops".