My naive questions

[Piscinin]

Drich, all I`m saying is I`m the new Abraham.

All you`ve been reading and feeling are the work of the devil, set to deceive you. Luke was instructed by the devil to write that, and you`re being manipulated by the devil to believe it`s from god.

It doesn`t have to be established already, God decided to finally talk to the humanity, through me, right now. Or should i write it? Would it be better written?

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Ohhh...

So you should believe every religion because it teaches love and compassion?

Truth doesn`t matter to you?

are you the 'special' type of person who continue to look for his/his mom's car keys after he has found them?

Then why would you look for truth after you have found it?

The devil manipulated you to think that way. That is not the truth. The only real knocking is through the tooth fairy.

[Cato]

You don`t deserve to meet Jimi Hendrix in hell. I hope you rot in the most boring place ever described, heaven

You mean this guy?

[Piscinin]

You don`t deserve to meet Jimi Hendrix in hell. I hope you rot in the most boring place ever described, heaven

You mean this guy?

Fuck, fuck fuck.

Existential crisis, nothing is real anymore. I better become a christian.

Ah, and fuck Jimi Hendrix. Buddy Holly is the man.

[DeistPaladin]

Let`s assume you become convinced there has to be a God who watches over everything you do. Before you choose your faith, wouldn`t it be reasonable to research every single belief in the world before choosing?

Which assumes that God even wants to be worshiped at all.

Maybe God is like the one depicted in Monte Python's The Holy Grail. "That's why I can't stand coming to earth anymore. All I hear is 'forgive me this' and 'forgive me that' and 'I'm not worthy'..."





Actually, that sounds like a really cool god I wouldn't mind hanging out with in Heaven but I digress. The point is maybe God doesn't want to be worshiped at all. Maybe we're supposed to do the best we can, follow our conscience and contribute a bit to making the world a better place before we die.

Or maybe the correct religion is not one thought of by humans at all. Maybe the Fnorbians on the planet Znutnar have figured it out. I just made that up but it's got as much evidence as any religion on this earth.

Or maybe the Devil is really the good guy. Hey, we never hear his side of the story, do we? Maybe the Devil is leading a rag-tag rebellion against a celestial tyrant, and all we hear about is the propaganda of said tyrant, bad mouthing the Devil and making him out to be evil when in fact he's a valiant rebel who's really trying to help us (a kind of Robin Hood of the Heavens). Hey, if our only source of information on Han Solo and Luke Skywalker was the propaganda of The Empire, we'd think they were the bad guys too, right? Frankly, that story would make a lot more sense than the one Christians tell us.

Or maybe there is a personal god who watches over us but there's no afterlife. Read the OT of the Bible. The ancient Hebrews rejected the idea of an afterlife, at least at first.

Psalm 115:17 The dead praise not the LORD, neither any that go down into silence.

Ecclesiastes 9:5 The dead know not anything, neither have they any more a reward.

Isaiah 38:18 For the grave cannot praise thee, death can not celebrate thee: they that go down into the pit cannot hope for thy truth.

There's a great video series on the subject of the Old Testament and the "afterlife" and here's a link to the first one in the series:





So maybe God gives us one shot at the brass ring and then it's fade to black and credits roll.

To underscore the myriad of possibilities, I'm a deist who believes (Nature's) God created a strictly natural universe and am skeptical of any claims of an afterlife or consciousness without a brain. My wife is an atheist who believes in ghosts.

[Piscinin]

DeistPaladin,

I think we`re a school project of a student in a very advanced society, outside our universe.

"You have to construct a basic universe for your homework. It has to last at least 30 billion years, maybe put some life here and there. Nothing special, just some temporary primitive beings."

[Thumpalumpacus]

Before you choose your faith, wouldn`t it be reasonable to research every single belief in the world before choosing?

I call bullshit! Les Paul Standard would be your religious view if you had follwed your own advice.

Well, to be fair, Les Paul is the Truth, the Way, and the Light. The Standard is the Sacrament, the Marshall half-stack, the pulpit.

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When Mary Ford died, she went to Heaven. At the Pearly Gates, she had to wait while St Peter was sorting her paperwork, and while waiting, she heard someone tearing up some jazz on guitar. She knew the style; she'd sung over it for years.

So when St Peter got back to the service window, she asked him. "How in the world did Les get into Heaven?! No way he's here, after the life he lived."

St Peter looks up from the papers and says, "Oh, that's just God ... he only thinks he's Les Paul."

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I hit all the big ones.. I've studied buddhism, Islam, Judisim several christian cults, Several main stream forms of Christianity, before I found God. Once I found what I was looking for I stopped looking.

Once you understand why you rejected those religions, you'll understand why atheists reject yours.

[Piscinin]

This place is full of heretics. Forgive them Leo, for they do not know what they are doing.

It`s ironic how people like Drich ridicule the tooth fairy god using flawless logic...

[DeistPaladin]

DeistPaladin,

I think we`re a school project of a student in a very advanced society, outside our universe.

"You have to construct a basic universe for your homework. It has to last at least 30 billion years, maybe put some life here and there. Nothing special, just some temporary primitive beings."

Two bacteria living in a petri dish cultivated by a scientist are hanging out one day. One says to the other "let me tell you about my personal relationship I have with The Great Lab Coat In The Sky."

Evolution and the size/timescale of the universe do not disprove God but it does indicate, to me anyway, that God is neither personal, nor perfect, nor omni-benevolent, nor all powerful.

How could the creator of a 13.5 billion year old universe complete with hundreds of billions of galaxies possibly relate to relatively microscopic beings on a pale blue dot?

How could a benevolent god use a system that is as red in tooth and claw as evolution?

Why wouldn't an all powerful god just poof us into existence as desired instead of a slow, millions of years process?

Plus, if evolution is true, Christianity is not. Christianity tells us that death came into the world by sin. Sin came into the world by Adam and Eve. Adam and Eve were the first humans. Humans came into the world by evolution. Evolution necessarily requires death as part of its driving process. So death (and sin) had to have existed before humans if evolution is true. Game. Set. Match.

[Thumpalumpacus]

This place is full of heretics. Forgive them Leo, for they do not know what they are doing.

Oh, I love me a Strat on occasion ... but my old 73 DeLuxe could drag a man to church (if a talented player had played it!)

[Piscinin]

The fossils are there to test your faith, you fool.

And Adam and Eve is a metaphor.

And everything you find to be a clear contradiction is a metaphor, obviously. Or even further, God can even contradict himself, because he can do everything.

Your primitive limited little mind cannot comprehend, so surrender yourself.

Besides, you haven`t even knocked so you don`t know God. You should knock, then believe, then be with him for some time, then you can decide. Or was it believe, then knock?

Anyway, you know nothing, therefore God.