Obesity: five facts

[psychoslice]

The obesity rate here in Australia, the USA and UK is around 25-30%. In Japan it's 3%. How do you explain that by individual behaviour? Or are you now acknowledging it's the food and not the people that is to blame?

Yea, food has a lot to do with it, not eating correctly can cause all sorts of problems with the body, including problems with the thyroid, and so it goes on and on.

[Aractus]

"Not eating correctly"??

It was a recommendation made by the USA surgeon general to cut fat and increase sugar in the diet in the 1970's. Back then no one bothered to ask the question "did our ancestors really eat more sugar and less fat".

Define correct eating?

The problem is as I said hormonal, not dietary. Yes ultimately the hormonal problem is caused by diet and/or lifestyle factors, but it is the link in the chain and the part directly responsible for abnormal weight gain.

[pocaracas]

[Aractus]

In a nutshell: type-2 Diabetes is a condition, yes, but it's caused by a insulin-resistance and is linked to obesity. It is much rarer than type-1 which is where the pancreas do not produce enough insulin.

[psychoslice]

"Not eating correctly"??

It was a recommendation made by the USA surgeon general to cut fat and increase sugar in the diet in the 1970's. Back then no one bothered to ask the question "did our ancestors really eat more sugar and less fat".

Define correct eating?

The problem is as I said hormonal, not dietary. Yes ultimately the hormonal problem is caused by diet and/or lifestyle factors, but it is the link in the chain and the part directly responsible for abnormal weight gain.

Na, your just making excuses for the fat and over weight.

[Aractus]

So, by that logic type-2 diabetes is also "making an excuse" for people who choose not to eat correctly?

[psychoslice]

So, by that logic type-2 diabetes is also "making an excuse" for people who choose not to eat correctly?

Well if you are going to use it as an excuse, yes. The thing is we are what we eat, eat crap and you will be crap.

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I cannot remember the books I've read any more than the meals I have eaten; even so, they have made me.”
― Ralph Waldo Emerson

[Mequa]

[Aractus]

Well if you are going to use it as an excuse, yes. The thing is we are what we eat, eat crap and you will be crap.

Type-2 diabetes is generally considered preventable. Generally. No one makes the claim that it is 100% preventable in every situation for every person. Same is true for obesity.

Now how do you expect to victim-blame the obese when they didn't know how to prevent their obesity? They were told they had to eat less and exercise more, but in reality it has absolutely nothing to do with the conscious choice of the quantity of food you consume: it has to do with the food itself that is concerned. They were not told that added sugars may be obesenogenic - in fact in the 1970's they were told the exact opposite: eat less fat and more sugar. They were not told that wheat and other grains may also be obesenogenic.

So how the fuck were they to know that eating bread and drinking fruit juice would make them obese over time?

[psychoslice]

Well if you are going to use it as an excuse, yes. The thing is we are what we eat, eat crap and you will be crap.

Type-2 diabetes is generally considered preventable. Generally. No one makes the claim that it is 100% preventable in every situation for every person. Same is true for obesity.

Now how do you expect to victim-blame the obese when they didn't know how to prevent their obesity? They were told they had to eat less and exercise more, but in reality it has absolutely nothing to do with the conscious choice of the quantity of food you consume: it has to do with the food itself that is concerned. They were not told that added sugars may be obesenogenic - in fact in the 1970's they were told the exact opposite: eat less fat and more sugar. They were not told that wheat and other grains may also be obesenogenic.

So how the fuck were they to know that eating bread and drinking fruit juice would make them obese over time?

Maybe their a bit backward like you, and haven't got the intelligence to know better, you would have to be living under a giant pretzel not to know about sugars and fats. MMmmm pretzel.