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RE: MERGED: The Case for the Resurrection of Jesus Christ (Part 1) & (Part 2)
December 17, 2014 at 2:30 pm
(December 17, 2014 at 2:16 pm)His_Majesty Wrote: (December 16, 2014 at 10:48 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote: They clearly didn't share the same will.
Based on???
(December 16, 2014 at 10:52 pm)Jenny A Wrote: How can you have more than one omnipotent being? Either they can't best each other in which case they aren't omnipotent; or they can each best the other in which case they aren't omnipotent.
Omnipotence is only the ability to do what is logically possible...and it isn't logically possible for them to "best" each other.
(December 17, 2014 at 5:35 am)Esquilax Wrote: Not that the rest of your constant switching between whining and desperate, compensatory grandstanding isn't worth commenting on, but are you actually under the impression that the roflol emoticon this bulletin board platform provides plays a substantial role in the efficacy of your arguments?
That says a lot about the intellectual content of your posts. 
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RE: MERGED: The Case for the Resurrection of Jesus Christ (Part 1) & (Part 2)
December 17, 2014 at 2:32 pm
(December 17, 2014 at 2:29 pm)His_Majesty Wrote: Like a broke pencil...pointless.
No, just dull.
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RE: MERGED: The Case for the Resurrection of Jesus Christ (Part 1) & (Part 2)
December 17, 2014 at 2:34 pm
(December 17, 2014 at 2:16 pm)His_Majesty Wrote: (December 17, 2014 at 5:35 am)Esquilax Wrote: Not that the rest of your constant switching between whining and desperate, compensatory grandstanding isn't worth commenting on, but are you actually under the impression that the roflol emoticon this bulletin board platform provides plays a substantial role in the efficacy of your arguments?
That says a lot about the intellectual content of your posts.
Sometimes the goold ole "LOL" or "LMAO" just aint good enough. I need animation.
Alternatively, you could try giving a substantive, justified answer, and not resort to endless, baseless mockery. 
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Two things: one your ignorance is showing again. "Darwinian" evolution has long been superseded by modern synthesis, that encompasses aspects of biology and population genetics that Darwin simply could not have known about.
Secondly, you can't be indoctrinated into a thing that's demonstrably true, which modern evolutionary theory is. Your sole response there has been to attempt to redefine what evolution is, based solely on your own ignorance of the topic, and additional definitions that you haven't established as reliable or applicable to science. But your unwillingness to use scientific definitions in a scientific discussion is not our problem, and it's not a problem for evolutionary theory.
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RE: MERGED: The Case for the Resurrection of Jesus Christ (Part 1) & (Part 2)
December 17, 2014 at 2:35 pm
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(December 17, 2014 at 2:30 pm)Spooky Wrote: Jesus didn't want to die.
By their fairy tale he wanted to. I mean, having all the properties of his dad that is himself and a ghost for the good of all mankind....*head explodes*
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RE: MERGED: The Case for the Resurrection of Jesus Christ (Part 1) & (Part 2)
December 17, 2014 at 2:39 pm
Quote:Your sole response there has been to attempt to redefine what evolution is, based solely on your own ignorance of the topic,
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RE: MERGED: The Case for the Resurrection of Jesus Christ (Part 1) & (Part 2)
December 17, 2014 at 2:48 pm
(December 17, 2014 at 2:30 pm)Spooky Wrote: (December 17, 2014 at 2:16 pm)His_Majesty Wrote: Based on???
Omnipotence is only the ability to do what is logically possible...and it isn't logically possible for them to "best" each other.
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Jesus didn't want to die.
Or for anyone for that matter.
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RE: MERGED: The Case for the Resurrection of Jesus Christ (Part 1) & (Part 2)
December 17, 2014 at 2:50 pm
(December 17, 2014 at 2:35 pm)LastPoet Wrote: (December 17, 2014 at 2:30 pm)Spooky Wrote: Jesus didn't want to die.
By their fairy tale he wanted to. I mean, having all the properties of his dad that is himself and a ghost for the good of all mankind....*head explodes*
Yep while at the same time having a little conversation in which he pleads with himself not to die:
"Father, if you are willing, remove this cup from me; yet, not my will but yours be done." Luke: 22:42 NRSV
If Jesus and god are one how can they have different wills?
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RE: MERGED: The Case for the Resurrection of Jesus Christ (Part 1) & (Part 2)
December 17, 2014 at 2:51 pm
(December 17, 2014 at 2:29 pm)His_Majesty Wrote: I think what separates the 3 is experience...for example, Jesus knows what it is like to be a human, and the Father & Holy Spirit doesn't. It may be certain experiences that one has and the others don't that separates the three...but besides that, they are the same. So their discussions are a lot like this whole thread. Jesus telling the other two that his experience as a human leads him to certain conclusions, and the other two are like "LOL OUTVOTED, BITCH" and they add another log to the fires of hell. Those guys are such pricks.
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RE: MERGED: The Case for the Resurrection of Jesus Christ (Part 1) & (Part 2)
December 17, 2014 at 2:51 pm
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(December 17, 2014 at 2:35 pm)LastPoet Wrote: (December 17, 2014 at 2:30 pm)Spooky Wrote: Jesus didn't want to die.
By their fairy tale he wanted to. I mean, having all the properties of his dad that is himself and a ghost for the good of all mankind....*head explodes*
Yes and No:
He tried to get out at the last minute. This suggests that not all three wills are perfectly aligned.
(December 17, 2014 at 2:50 pm)Jenny A Wrote: (December 17, 2014 at 2:35 pm)LastPoet Wrote: By their fairy tale he wanted to. I mean, having all the properties of his dad that is himself and a ghost for the good of all mankind....*head explodes*
Yep while at the same time having a little conversation in which he pleads with himself not to die:
"Father, if you are willing, remove this cup from me; yet, not my will but yours be done." Luke: 22:42 NRSV
If Jesus and god are one how can they have different wills?
Beat me too it. Damn smart phones.
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RE: MERGED: The Case for the Resurrection of Jesus Christ (Part 1) & (Part 2)
December 17, 2014 at 3:01 pm
(December 17, 2014 at 2:16 pm)His_Majesty Wrote: (December 16, 2014 at 10:52 pm)Jenny A Wrote: How can you have more than one omnipotent being? Either they can't best each other in which case they aren't omnipotent; or they can each best the other in which case they aren't omnipotent.
Omnipotence is only the ability to do what is logically possible...and it isn't logically possible for them to "best" each other.
Omnipotence itself is logically impossible. But even if you define it as only what's logically possible so as to avoid questions like, can god make a rock so heavy he can't pick it up, that doesn't solve the problem of multiple omnipotent beings. There's no logical problem with an omnipotent being being able to make a rock some big that no one else can pick it up. In fact that ability is assumed in the definition of omnipotence.
Quote:(Of a deity) having unlimited power; able to do anything.
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/def...omnipotent
Which is why having more than one of them is a problem. They can't both be in control of everything because their power must each be limited by the other. If there's more than one omnipotent being than you are going to have to redefine omnipotent.
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