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RE: The Case for the Resurrection of Jesus Christ (Part 1)
November 25, 2014 at 9:33 am
(November 25, 2014 at 4:58 am)Zen Badger Wrote: Everything you have presented so far has been rejected in detail.
Indeed; and not simply out of hand either. We've submitted genuine, pragmatic reasons for dismissing what's been presented and explained precisely why it's not compelling. And to what result? The objections have been rejected out of hand...
Someone around here is being unreasonable and I'm buggered if I can put my finger on who.
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RE: The Case for the Resurrection of Jesus Christ (Part 1)
November 25, 2014 at 9:54 am
(November 25, 2014 at 9:33 am)Stimbo Wrote: (November 25, 2014 at 4:58 am)Zen Badger Wrote: Everything you have presented so far has been rejected in detail.
Indeed; and not simply out of hand either. We've submitted genuine, pragmatic reasons for dismissing what's been presented and explained precisely why it's not compelling. And to what result? The objections have been rejected out of hand...
Someone around here is being unreasonable and I'm buggered if I can put my finger on who.
some people will reject and reject and keep rejecting claims. they want it to happen but history said it did not and to move on. some people have a mind set of i want to believe this to be true no matter what credible evidence goes against it. i have no idea why but that is faith in a nutshell.
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RE: The Case for the Resurrection of Jesus Christ (Part 1)
November 25, 2014 at 11:07 am
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(November 25, 2014 at 9:30 am)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: (November 25, 2014 at 9:22 am)Pickup_shonuff Wrote: But Paul says he visited and stayed with Jesus' brother and his best friend!!! ;-) Yes, because there was only one dude with that name in all of Palestine. An even better way to come at is that, apart from Acts and the Gospels, which mainstream academia admits don't record reliable history, we know little to nothing about the historical lives, including characters and reputations, of Jesus, James, or Peter, their relationships to one another or the population at large, or THE SPECIFICS OF THEIR RELIGIOUS BELIEFS. The best we can say is that the latter two were possibly "pillars" or leaders in the first "Nazorean" or Jewish Christian "church" in Jerusalem which had an innovative, syncretic, new, popular religion to sell, and that Paul was perhaps it's most enthusiastic, influential, and interesting convert.
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RE: The Case for the Resurrection of Jesus Christ (Part 1)
November 25, 2014 at 11:34 am
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RE: The Case for the Resurrection of Jesus Christ (Part 1)
November 25, 2014 at 11:37 am
George Washington's that guy who hacked down his father's cherry tree, right?
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RE: The Case for the Resurrection of Jesus Christ (Part 1)
November 25, 2014 at 11:47 am
I see at 25 pages in, we've established that Jesus may or may not have really existed, that the early Christian church may or may not have been based on his teachings, and that there were definitely early Christians.
Very productive, everyone, and I think that's as far as it's possible to go on the historicity of Jesus, so I presume HM will be moving to Part 2.
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RE: The Case for the Resurrection of Jesus Christ (Part 1)
November 25, 2014 at 11:59 am
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(November 24, 2014 at 3:55 pm)His_Majesty Wrote: Right, and based on these sources the vast majority of historians believe that Jesus of Nazareth existed.
[Citation needed]
(November 24, 2014 at 6:38 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Doesn't matter what "most historians believe".
I want to know, who polled them, how large was the sample size, where it was located, exactly what questions were asked, and other such data, before I accept that claim, anyway.
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November 25, 2014 at 12:14 pm
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RE: The Case for the Resurrection of Jesus Christ (Part 1)
November 25, 2014 at 12:34 pm
(November 25, 2014 at 11:37 am)Pickup_shonuff Wrote: George Washington's that guy who hacked down his father's cherry tree, right?
Thank you. You just help me underscore how we evaluate claims and why, when Christians keep saying "how do you know [X person] of history existed" doesn't help their case.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Mundane claims are often accepted with testimony and the lack of contrary evidence.
So, Washington existed: Mundane claim more than adequately supported.
The folklore about the Cherry Tree: Not accepted as it's a pretty unusual claim, not supported by anything but a story.
That he threw a silver dollar across the Potomac: Extraordinary claim not accepted.
By the way, my dad came back to life today. He was cremated but his ashes reconstituted themselves into a body and he's feeling much better now. I'm sure I can find four "witnesses" who can write about what they saw. So tell me HM, would you accept that claim? If not, why not?
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