MERGED: The Case for the Resurrection of Jesus Christ (Part 1) & (Part 2)

[downbeatplumb]

[robvalue]

Oooooh, it is so a fact. If you deny that, you're being willfully ignorant. Like so many other theists. The information is all over the internet, if you can be bothered to look.

[Esquilax]

Two things: one your ignorance is showing again. "Darwinian" evolution has long been superseded by modern synthesis, that encompasses aspects of biology and population genetics that Darwin simply could not have known about.

Evolution in general hasn't been proven, that I am not ignorant about. That is the one thing that is certain.

So... basically, "nuh uh!"?

What a cogent, comprehensive rebuttal.

It is true to those that already believe in the theory. Go figure.

Nope, sorry: things cannot be true to you. Truth is independent of one's opinions on it. We don't live in a solipsistic universe.

[His_Majesty]

Yep while at the same time having a little conversation in which he pleads with himself not to die:

"Father, if you are willing, remove this cup from me; yet, not my will but yours be done." Luke: 22:42 NRSV

If Jesus and god are one how can they have different wills?

We shouldn't make a doctrine out of one scripture...the overwhelming scriptural evidence suggest that both the Father and the Son have the same will...now I will admit, this is a tough one, no doubt..but scripture is clear that Jesus WILLING laid down his life, now as a man knowing that he is about to face beatings, insults, torcher, it doesn't matter who you are, if you are a person who experiences physical/mental pain, you wouldn't want to go through it.

[Cyberman]

You've never seen the word "torture" written down before, have you?

[abaris]

We shouldn't make a doctrine out of one scripture...the overwhelming scriptural evidence suggest that both the Father and the Son have the same will...now I will admit, this is a tough one, no doubt..but scripture is clear that Jesus WILLING laid down his life, now as a man knowing that he is about to face beatings, insults, torcher, it doesn't matter who you are, if you are a person who experiences physical/mental pain, you wouldn't want to go through it.

You're the only one making a fuzz about it. Either it's the trinity or it's not. Either they share the same spirit or it's just another politheistic shtick with three seperate deities. Make your choice on that matter.

If the trinity is in accordance with your believes, Jesus didn't die at all, since he can't. He's eternal like the other two parts making up the whole package. So, as I just said in a different thread, he just threw away a fleshy carcass he inhabited for 30 something years, just to please his other self. And no matter how much of a horror show he went through before his phony demise, it's still a show.

[robvalue]

One third of god was AWOL for 3 days = god dead?

What garbage.

[His_Majesty]

Omnipotence itself is logically impossible. But even if you define it as only what's logically possible so as to avoid questions like, can god make a rock so heavy he can't pick it up, that doesn't solve the problem of multiple omnipotent beings. There's no logical problem with an omnipotent being being able to make a rock some big that no one else can pick it up. In fact that ability is assumed in the definition of omnipotence.

What? Please explain why the concept of omnipotence is logically impossible.

Which is why having more than one of them is a problem. They can't both be in control of everything because their power must each be limited by the other. If there's more than one omnipotent being than you are going to have to redefine omnipotent.

What do you mean "they can't be in control of everything because their power must each be limited by the other". Doesn't make a bit of sense to me.

[Jenny A]

[His_Majesty]