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RE: have you thought about this
December 10, 2014 at 12:00 am
(This post was last modified: December 10, 2014 at 12:01 am by vorlon13.)
Anyone with firsthand experience with God (including God) would, of course, no longer be a believer. You meet God, you know you've met God. Belief no longer is an option once an individual knows for sure.
It gets interesting, however, if belief is an absolute requirement for salvation.
For instance, if belief is a requirement, the virgin Mary would, upon her death, be consigned to HELL, for ETERNAL torment for not believing.
An even better one, presumably, between expiring upon the cross and the resurrection, Jesus was in hell, it being silly if he got to kick back for 3 days in heaven during that interval. So, Jesus (obviously) did not merely believe in Himself and His sacrifice, he clearly knew, so the requirement for belief as ones ticket to heaven might be inviolable.
Sorry Mary. Sucks to get fucked by God, don't it ?
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RE: have you thought about this
December 10, 2014 at 12:03 am
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(December 10, 2014 at 12:00 am)vorlon13 Wrote: Anyone with firsthand experience with God (including God) would, of course, no longer be a believer. You meet God, you know you've met God. Belief no longer is an option once an individual knows for sure.
It gets interesting, however, if belief is an absolute requirement for salvation.
For instance, if belief is a requirement, the virgin Mary would, upon her death, be consigned to HELL, for ETERNAL torment for not believing.
An even better one, presumably, between expiring upon the cross and the resurrection, Jesus was in hell, it being silly if he got to kick back for 3 days in heaven during that interval. So, Jesus (obviously) did not merely believe in Himself and His sacrifice, he clearly knew, so the requirement for belief as ones ticket to heaven might be inviolable.
Sorry Mary. Sucks to get fucked by God, don't it ?
Yep god rotted in hell for those 3 days i see the irony.
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RE: have you thought about this
December 10, 2014 at 12:11 am
Smite me! I've blasphemed all over meself again!
The fool hath said in his heart, There is a God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
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RE: have you thought about this
December 10, 2014 at 12:13 am
(December 10, 2014 at 12:11 am)Alex K Wrote: Smite me! I've blasphemed all over meself again!
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RE: have you thought about this
December 10, 2014 at 12:16 am
If you needed a sperm receptacle, you could have said something.
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RE: have you thought about this
December 10, 2014 at 12:21 am
Actually the belief versus knowing idea has a venerable Christian history. Kierkegaard felt that knowledge would destroy belief and belief was paramount. He spent some time demolishing the "proofs" of god to make way for belief.
Graham Green's Monsieur Quixote had nightmares that Jesus' death and resurrection were proven so everyone would know without having to believe. Certainly the Gospels valued belief over knowledge.
Personally I think that valuing belief over knowledge is stupidity, but Jesus apparently didn't.
If there is a god, I want to believe that there is a god. If there is not a god, I want to believe that there is no god.
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RE: have you thought about this
December 10, 2014 at 12:47 am
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(December 9, 2014 at 10:56 pm)dyresand Wrote: (December 9, 2014 at 10:36 pm)Drich Wrote: Seriously?
Yes seriously i'm being dead serious with this post.
Who ever called me obtuse, is your obtuse-dar is not pinging or is their a written code that says no matter how foolish one atheist is you all must stick together??
Does no one else see the critical flaw in the OP's presupposition?
Theism simply acknoweledges that a deity exists. It does not demand that the acknowledgement of a deity signifies a higher form of life than the one making the acknoweledgement.
That would be like the king of ye olde England acknoweledging he believes in empirical rule, and then insist their is another king over him. The simple acknowledgment that there is a king of an empire does not preclude the one making the statement is indeed the KING OF HIS OWN EMPIRE!
Like wise God saying He believes In a supreme being does not mean HE IS NOT SAID BEING!
(December 10, 2014 at 12:21 am)Jenny A Wrote: Actually the belief versus knowing idea has a venerable Christian history. Kierkegaard felt that knowledge would destroy belief and belief was paramount. He spent some time demolishing the "proofs" of god to make way for belief.
Graham Green's Monsieur Quixote had nightmares that Jesus' death and resurrection were proven so everyone would know without having to believe. Certainly the Gospels valued belief over knowledge.
Personally I think that valuing belief over knowledge is stupidity, but Jesus apparently didn't.
Doubting Thomas was given proof/knoweledge.
Christ said in luke 11 all who A/S/K get proof/knoweledge of God...
All of Christ Miricals were 'proof'/knoweledge of His deity.
Christ provided proof/knoweledge for Paul.
Christ provided proof/knoweledge for Peter by calling him out onto the water.
Appearently one does not need knoweledge of Christ to speak of Him or His beliefs.
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RE: have you thought about this
December 10, 2014 at 12:57 am
(December 9, 2014 at 10:36 pm)Drich Wrote: (December 9, 2014 at 6:28 pm)dyresand Wrote: just for a moment one has to wonder if god is a theist or an atheist.
god is the most powerful being if he existed so does he or does he not have to believe in a higher power such as himself? if god didn't he is an atheist if god believed there is a higher power than himself he would be a theist.
so if god believed in a higher power shouldn't people praise the guy who made god instead. 
Seriously?
Oh absolutely!
God clearly had an existential crisis when he fucked Mary with his spirit weaner in order to sacrifice himself to appease himself so that sinners could all be winners.
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RE: have you thought about this
December 10, 2014 at 12:59 am
Drich, if you mean imperial rule, I'm with you.
The fool hath said in his heart, There is a God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
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RE: have you thought about this
December 10, 2014 at 1:00 am
(December 9, 2014 at 11:00 pm)dyresand Wrote: (December 9, 2014 at 10:59 pm)Godschild Wrote: There's nothing else to be said.
GC
So answer it is god a atheist or is god a theist.
Obviously god is as far beyond having to answer such questions as we are beyond having to entertain the possibility that such a thing exists. It's silly stuff all the way down.
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