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RE: Whats so offensive about Christianity
December 20, 2014 at 2:35 pm
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I still don't get it. If your argument is it's ok because God says it's ok, why the desperation to prove it's still going on today? What difference does that make?
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RE: Whats so offensive about Christianity
December 20, 2014 at 2:37 pm
You will only make yourself crazy attempting ot understand the unreasonableness of theistic ill logic.
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RE: Whats so offensive about Christianity
December 20, 2014 at 2:38 pm
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Good point. Some people are a lost cause. Maybe in a few years he'll gain a little perspective.
It's so sad to see someone sell their soul out so completely. I would guess he's not that old... I dunno. Sad to think of him spending another 50 years thinking like this.
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RE: Whats so offensive about Christianity
December 20, 2014 at 2:43 pm
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(December 20, 2014 at 1:26 pm)Drich Wrote: right now in Fl a produce harvester can expect to make 15.00 a day, unless he can pick what the grow predetermines as a quota. If he can do this then he can expect a bonus based on the bushel or pound of produce picked. I have never heard of anyone earning over 100 dollars even in the 12 to 14 hours that some pickers work. Meh, I've made and paid $10/hr for a good picker. Cost to consumer for the maters, lettuce, or strawberries was the same. Guess slavery isn't required here - nor are we forced to support it either directly or indirectly - as sloppily as you've chosen to define it.
(I actually prefer a profit share by the bushel/head/pint...but that's just me..I'm enterprising like that)
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RE: Whats so offensive about Christianity
December 20, 2014 at 2:48 pm
(December 18, 2014 at 9:32 am)Alex K Wrote: (December 18, 2014 at 9:29 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Pfft, I think the Bible itself is pretty ghastly and offensive.
Oh, sure. Christians usually ignore most of that stuff, though. Whenever they don't, that's when things get offensive.
Oh, I don't know. The whole vicarious redemption through scapegoating and blood sacrifice thing is pretty goddam offensive.
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RE: Whats so offensive about Christianity
December 20, 2014 at 8:34 pm
Specific dogmas that are repugnant:
Sin, not original and not. To make people feel guilty for lust, hunger, and any joy they might find in life is obscene enough. But to add to that the idea that people are damned for actions they had no part in and had no choice in is a gross obscenity. That we are born damned for the actions of others, that our guilt is determined based not on out own merits and character, but on people we have never and will never meet. This doctrine is absolutely revolting, and horrifically unjust.
Vicarious redemption and the acceptance of human sacrifice. If i do something wrong, it is my responsibility to bear. Placing my guilt on someone else and punishing them for it only adds to the wrong, it does not absolve it. I have a few moral absolutes, and the top of these is the absolute prohibition against human sacrifices. I am not a cannibal, or a murderer. I will not be a part of this action. And yet Christianity demands the acceptance of such a barbarous act, and applauds it as the only way to virtue.
The subjugation and "submission" of women. Different churches view this different ways, but the doctrine that I am to submit to a man offends me. The doctrine that I am less, that I am PROPERTY of a man is backwards and disgusting.
The shaming and shunning of sexuality. Of all the doctrines this is the only one that has scarred me. To put guilt and shame on the act of sex seriously damages many young people. And the fact that it hits young women more than young men shows the misogynistic bent of this doctrine as well. That this doctrine also makes gay people feel ashamed, that it promotes hatred and bigotry, is one of the more damaging forces in the country today.
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RE: Whats so offensive about Christianity
December 21, 2014 at 3:39 am
(December 20, 2014 at 1:46 pm)Drich Wrote: You are the ones redefining slavery. I posted a defination from the dictionary! YOU HAVE NOT! Therefore it is you who is projecting your efforts of redefination onto me!
The problem is that you're equivocating two differnet connotations of the word. I don't expect you to understand that; I'm posting this for the audience watching your performance here.
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RE: Whats so offensive about Christianity
December 21, 2014 at 3:46 am
(December 21, 2014 at 3:39 am)Parkers Tan Wrote: (December 20, 2014 at 1:46 pm)Drich Wrote: You are the ones redefining slavery. I posted a defination from the dictionary! YOU HAVE NOT! Therefore it is you who is projecting your efforts of redefination onto me!
The problem is that you're equivocating two differnet connotations of the word. I don't expect you to understand that; I'm posting this for the audience watching your performance here.
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Is Dirch trying to apologist slavery..... there is no apologizing slavery...
I'm with Parkers i am generally pissed off and amused Dirch by your ignorance and also offended that you would think these sort of things.
You Dirch have no sense of humanity....
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RE: Whats so offensive about Christianity
December 21, 2014 at 4:49 am
I think it is likely he does know it is wrong, but he feels a compulsion to have to defend it at all costs. He would rather try and convince others, and himself, that a wrong is right, rather than consider his book may be wrong.
He has built the foundation of his world on this book. His whole life. To even consider for a second that he may have been wrong all this time is something so scary that he will use any kind of tactics to avoid it.
I'm not picking on drich, this is the case for most theists. It's a huge thing to consider you may have been wrong your whole life. It takes real guts, and often means standing up against those who have been feeding you those lies. Their brains have become experts at building an impenetrable wall around these beliefs, twisting and firing back any attempts to breach it without serious consideration.
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RE: Whats so offensive about Christianity
December 21, 2014 at 5:08 am
(December 21, 2014 at 4:49 am)robvalue Wrote: I think it is likely he does know it is wrong, but he feels a compulsion to have to defend it at all costs. He would rather try and convince others, and himself, that a wrong is right, rather than consider his book may be wrong.
This is exactly it. We could address the verses about bashing out the brains of the enemy's babies, and you would see more circumlocutions from him appealing to dictionary definitions in order to explain why genocide is moral. We could discuss the fact that his god allegedly doomed every human who ever existed to death based on the "sins" of the first two, and Dreck here would jump to the defense of the concept of collective punishment, never mind that he would disparage it when the NaZis applied the concept to the French village of Oradour-sur-Glane in 1944.
This is the worst aspect of Christianity -- that it perverts the morals of good people on the basis of a Bronze Age society being held as the ideal.
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