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RE: Religious Nuts beat their own Child to death.
March 10, 2010 at 1:23 pm
(March 10, 2010 at 1:13 pm)Gilligan Wrote: What Kevin and Elizabeth did was absolutely horrible, but PLEASE do no use this to stereotype all Christians. Non-Christians are capable of this as well.
Of course, some non-Christians eschew modern medicine in favor of superstition. I don't think anyone would say this practice is purely a Christian phenomena. I would say that most people on these boards would agree that doing so is incredibly stupid and, in the case of denying medical care to your sick child in favor of "prayer", downright criminal.
Science flies us to the moon and stars. Religion flies us into buildings.
God allowed 200,000 people to die in an earthquake. So what makes you think he cares about YOUR problems?
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RE: Religious Nuts beat their own Child to death.
March 10, 2010 at 1:23 pm
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(March 10, 2010 at 1:21 pm)tavarish Wrote: (March 10, 2010 at 1:13 pm)Gilligan Wrote: What Kevin and Elizabeth did was absolutely horrible, but PLEASE do no use this to stereotype all Christians. Non-Christians are capable of this as well.
No one is stereotyping Christians, but it does paint a picture as to how religion can skew a person's view of reality. Many people are incorrigible. That in itself is not a bad trait, but when coupled with a belief that is unfounded, can cause all kinds of destruction.
Doesn't Minimalist condoninig shooting street preachers show how atheism can skew people?
See his reply: http://atheistforums.org/thread-2935-page-2.html
And remember what Joseph Stalin did to Christians because they would not embrace atheism?
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RE: Religious Nuts beat their own Child to death.
March 10, 2010 at 1:37 pm
(March 10, 2010 at 1:23 pm)Gilligan Wrote: (March 10, 2010 at 1:21 pm)tavarish Wrote: (March 10, 2010 at 1:13 pm)Gilligan Wrote: What Kevin and Elizabeth did was absolutely horrible, but PLEASE do no use this to stereotype all Christians. Non-Christians are capable of this as well.
No one is stereotyping Christians, but it does paint a picture as to how religion can skew a person's view of reality. Many people are incorrigible. That in itself is not a bad trait, but when coupled with a belief that is unfounded, can cause all kinds of destruction.
Doesn't Minimalist condoninig shooting street preachers show how atheism can skew people?
See his reply: http://atheistforums.org/thread-2935-page-2.html
And remember what Joseph Stalin did to Christians because they would not embrace atheism?
Minimalist doesn't condone shooting people. It's obvious from his post that he's angry at Christianity. It's a direct response to the religious making assertions, claims and attempting to proselytize. But then again, I'm not Minimalist and his views don't reflect mine necessarily.
I don't understand what Josef Stalin had to do with anything. He didn't do is as a result of atheism, he was after total social and political control. Before him, the country was owned by a czar. All he did was take advantage of an already conformed people. There was persecution, but it demonstrates that the problem was with the government and its practices, rather than the rejection of faith. When you impose your beliefs onto others and impede the progression of society, then it's a bad thing, no matter where it comes from. My family lived in communist Russia, I was also born there. I do have firsthand and secondhand accounts as to how it was for a good part of the 20th century.
I would have absolutely NO ISSUE with anyone of any religion if they didn't try to impose that crap onto others and just kept it to themselves.
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RE: Religious Nuts beat their own Child to death.
March 10, 2010 at 1:40 pm
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RE: Religious Nuts beat their own Child to death.
March 10, 2010 at 1:45 pm
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(March 10, 2010 at 1:40 pm)Gilligan Wrote: Here was a victim in Romania of Communist persecutions because of his faith:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Wurmbrand
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZajLGoNw...re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_CwAG9ZF...re=related
Did you even read what I wrote?
I said:
There was persecution, but it demonstrates that the problem was with the government and its practices, rather than the rejection of faith. When you impose your beliefs onto others and impede the progression of society, then it's a bad thing, no matter where it comes from.
In your link:
In 1944, when the Soviet Union occupied Romania as the first step to establishing a communist regime, Wurmbrand began a ministry to his Romanian countrymen and to Red Army soldiers. When the government attempted to control churches , he immediately began an "underground" ministry to his people. He was arrested on February 29, 1948, while on his way to church services.[1]
Communism doesn't presuppose atheism, and atheism doesn't presuppose persecution.
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RE: Religious Nuts beat their own Child to death.
March 10, 2010 at 1:50 pm
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If it wasn't the result of atheism, why did Wurmbrand go through all that for refusing to reject Christ and embrace atheism ?
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RE: Religious Nuts beat their own Child to death.
March 10, 2010 at 2:01 pm
(March 10, 2010 at 1:50 pm)Gilligan Wrote: If it wasn't the result of atheism, why did Wurmbrand go through all that for not rejecting Christ and embracing atheism ?
Your comprehension is severely lacking.
He was persecuted, along with many others as a result of governmental control of social practices. They did not have freedom of religion, and he did things that were against the law, which had obvious consequences. This is the same formula that all totalitarian dictators use to gain control of their people.
You ever wonder why Norway and Sweden aren't the most oppressive countries, despite having among the highest percentage of atheists? It's because atheism has NO INTERNAL DOGMA and does not presuppose persecution or oppression.
Religion, however, DOES have an internal dogma, and, often times, does presuppose persecution and oppression. This is a direct result of religious doctrine. You ever wonder how much free thought you can have in a theocracy?
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RE: Religious Nuts beat their own Child to death.
March 10, 2010 at 2:04 pm
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I know Norway and Sweden have a high percentage of atheists, but are Christians free to practice their religion there without fear of the government? That part I don't know about because I have not read or heard anything about the politics there. The atheistic countries I was most familiar with were the Communist ones.
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RE: Religious Nuts beat their own Child to death.
March 10, 2010 at 2:08 pm
(March 10, 2010 at 2:04 pm)Gilligan Wrote: I know Norway and Sweden have a high percentage of atheists, but are Christians free to practice their religion there without fear of the government? Yes, as all secular countries are.
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RE: Religious Nuts beat their own Child to death.
March 10, 2010 at 2:11 pm
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(March 10, 2010 at 2:08 pm)Tiberius Wrote: (March 10, 2010 at 2:04 pm)Gilligan Wrote: I know Norway and Sweden have a high percentage of atheists, but are Christians free to practice their religion there without fear of the government? Yes, as all secular countries are.
What is the difference between secularism and what is described in the YouTube videos and Wikipedia article in post #34 ?
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