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December 24, 2014 at 4:44 am (This post was last modified: December 24, 2014 at 4:47 am by Alex K.)
(December 23, 2014 at 9:40 pm)JesusChristLover Wrote: Calling someone shit and stupid is against the rules, even if its in French. Where are the ban hammers?
It's Christmas! Also, I was drunk, so forgive me I wouldn't call you shit though, I don't know you. I can only make assumptions about content based on what comes out...
The fool hath said in his heart, There is a God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
(December 24, 2014 at 2:06 am)Elskidor Wrote: ALRIGHT, I'M DRINK and just got kicked out of the rim for being too drink and wanting to airing. I am ready to fight! Bring it on! 9 have to warn you that I airway win because the bible is fiction and I'm not but I'm drink, so take that add you will. BRING IT ON! !! Yeah? Merry Chistmas!
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(December 23, 2014 at 9:25 pm)JesusChristLover Wrote: The Bible is the Grand Charter of God. To undermine, discredit and reject the Bible is to undermine, discredit and reject God.
I don't really have a problem with that, you know?
Quote:The popular assertion of present-day shallow thinkers that their Christianity rejects the Old Testament but accepts the New is, to say the least, unrealistic, for the New Testament is based on the Old. Both are inseparably united and of necessity when one is rejected the other also must be refused. What the seed is to the plant so is the Old to the New. How can the plant be received and the seed which produced it rejected?
Oh those false Christians ™...
Quote:The Bible claims to be the Word of God and by staking this claim the Bible simply but plainly declares its divine authority, complete infallibility and absolute sufficiency.
You know that a claim does not imply that things are as claimed, right?
Quote:The Bible's authority is not derived from reason. The Bible does not appeal to reason and demand obedience because our reason sanctions its teachings. Its authority is not rational in that sense, although we believe the Bible to be reasonable ultimately, because it is the Word of Him Who is the source of all reason. Our reason needs to be approved by the Bible and not the Bible by our reason.
But if it claims for something that is wrong, then reason is our only ally in discerning the truth of the matter.
Quote:The Bible's authority is not derived from the emotions. The Bible does not appeal to our feelings and demand obedience because our feelings acquiesce in its teachings. Its authority is not emotional, and our feelings need to be approved by the Bible, and not the Bible by our feelings.
The bible, in a few parts, does appeal to emotion...
Quote:The greatest fact of all time is the Bible. How a book which has been so universally attacked could survive and attain to such a place of eminence is a miracle eloquently testifying to its supernatural origin.
The unity of the Bible is one of the greatest evidences of its supernatural origin.
The Bible is unique. Hundreds of years and in some cases over a thousand years before certain events took place, the Bible made precise predictions concerning those events. No other sacred book ventured to make such predictions. The Bible is the only book which dared to stake its claim to divinity on the accuracy of its prophecies!
Errr, nope.
There are other holy books, other mythologies, other prophecies that have been "accurate". You don't buy those...probably because you haven't been taught about them... why should anyone buy yours?
(December 23, 2014 at 9:40 pm)JesusChristLover Wrote: Where are the ban hammers?
Where is your report of the alleged offence?
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
(December 23, 2014 at 9:25 pm)JesusChristLover Wrote: The Bible is the Grand Charter of God. To undermine, discredit and reject the Bible is to undermine, discredit and reject God.
Count me in on the discrediting part. A book that has been written, copied, and edited for political reasons is not worth the paper it is printed on.
(December 23, 2014 at 9:25 pm)JesusChristLover Wrote: The Bible is unique. Hundreds of years and in some cases over a thousand years before certain events took place, the Bible made precise predictions concerning those events. No other sacred book ventured to make such predictions. The Bible is the only book which dared to stake its claim to divinity on the accuracy of its prophecies!
Come up with a few, why don't you? I know you mentioned Israel, which takes some serious bending and shaping. There are people, you know, who take the ramblings of Nostradamus at face value. Join their ranks and be proud, since you have the same kind of obscure source material at your hands.
(December 23, 2014 at 9:25 pm)JesusChristLover Wrote:
The Bible is the Grand Charter of God. To undermine, discredit and reject the Bible is to undermine, discredit and reject God.
The popular assertion of present-day shallow thinkers that their Christianity rejects the Old Testament but accepts the New is, to say the least, unrealistic, for the New Testament is based on the Old. Both are inseparably united and of necessity when one is rejected the other also must be refused. What the seed is to the plant so is the Old to the New. How can the plant be received and the seed which produced it rejected?
The Bible claims to be the Word of God and by staking this claim the Bible simply but plainly declares its divine authority, complete infallibility and absolute sufficiency.
The Bible's authority is not derived from reason. The Bible does not appeal to reason and demand obedience because our reason sanctions its teachings. Its authority is not rational in that sense, although we believe the Bible to be reasonable ultimately, because it is the Word of Him Who is the source of all reason. Our reason needs to be approved by the Bible and not the Bible by our reason.
The Bible's authority is not derived from the emotions. The Bible does not appeal to our feelings and demand obedience because our feelings acquiesce in its teachings. Its authority is not emotional, and our feelings need to be approved by the Bible, and not the Bible by our feelings.
The greatest fact of all time is the Bible. How a book which has been so universally attacked could survive and attain to such a place of eminence is a miracle eloquently testifying to its supernatural origin.
The unity of the Bible is one of the greatest evidences of its supernatural origin.
The Bible is unique. Hundreds of years and in some cases over a thousand years before certain events took place, the Bible made precise predictions concerning those events. No other sacred book ventured to make such predictions. The Bible is the only book which dared to stake its claim to divinity on the accuracy of its prophecies!
(December 23, 2014 at 9:47 pm)JesusChristLover Wrote:
(December 23, 2014 at 9:44 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: Firmly in the hands of the moderators. How about letting them moderate rather than assuming you know fuck all about what is and isn't against the rules here - because you don't.
Indeed discriminating. If I had said the same thing so an Atheist on this forum, I would have been banned a long time ago.
You can call us pricks or asshats or whatever if you want.
You can yourself continue to be an asshat and play ye olde (the old) persecution card, because satan knows it's what you guys seem to love playing. Indeed it would appear you've got a deck full of them.
I do enjoy having a good laugh at your beliefs though.
December 24, 2014 at 7:34 am (This post was last modified: December 24, 2014 at 7:36 am by robvalue.)
Let me show you what is really stupid about all of this. Let's assume there is a "God", some sort of being. What do we know about it? Currently, nothing. But now, assume this bible is "the word of God." So now we have a book, which is dictated by this God, and I'll be generous and say it's entirely accurate as dictated.
Now what do we know about this God? We know that it claims to have created the universe. It claims to have made humans. We have no way of knowing if these claims are true. How do we know this being tells the truth? Because it tells you it tells the truth? That is stupid. You'd never accept anyone as a character witness to themself.
What else do we know about God now?
He is a terrible writer. He contradicts himself a lot, re tells stories in different ways for no apparent reason, and is really stupid. It doesn't know very much about the planet it claims to have created. In fact it gets plenty of stuff wrong that even a child knows today.
It is more evil than anything else, it has about every undesirable attribute you could imagine.
In conclusion, just because "God" wrote some stuff, that doesn't mean it's true. And if God is as described, he is less intelligent and less concerned with human wellbeing than most people alive today.
So I would not even consider worshipping it. We have no reason to think it's even around any more. I would carry on my life just as I am doing already.
If the bible is the word of "God" then God is a prick who I have no interest in associating with.
Feel free to send me a private message.
Please visit my website here! It's got lots of information about atheism/theism and support for new atheists.
(December 23, 2014 at 9:25 pm)JesusChristLover Wrote: The Bible's authority is not derived from reason.
Yes, we've certainly noticed that.
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."
I wouldn't call you shit though, I don't know you. I can only make assumptions about content based on what comes out...
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