Help me solidify a thought please.

[Violet]

It is completely out of my character to walk up and randomly punch someone in the head. Dose this mean I couldent do it.. no .. just means I wont do it... could I ? yes... will I .. NO

True... but could you really walk up and 'randomly' punch someone in the head? What i mean by this... is that your platform (body) is capable of is not the sum of what you can and can't do. My platform is probably capable of a backflip... could I do it right now? No... I have no idea how to perform a backflip.

So really... my emotional sense of 'right' and 'wrong' is as much a part of the equation as wether my platform can exert the force necessary to perform a back flip.

[tackattack]

And also what if your bear scenario is something you have done in your life. Wouldn't that deepen your understanding of your own limitations? Wouldn't that now answer the question of "What am I really capable of?" I surmise if we take a really close look deep within ourselves and ask those questions honestly, it would be scary what we're really capable of. But just because you've never been put in the situation doesn't mean it isn't part of the possibilities that include your character. You may be morally or socially limited by society, but if consequence is eliminated I think we'd find the human soul is much deeper and darker than most give it credit for.

[RedFish]

1. We have a mind capable of over-riding our basest instincts, including that of self-preservation. If we were purely instinctual, and had no 'choice', would we be able to do this? I think not.
2. You can't. We have to quantify the whole world, in order to give us the illusion of control over it. Every measurement/ value judgement we make is purely from our own perspective. And therefore flawed, to some extent.
3. It's a film about a killer whale. (sorry, my screens a bit hard to read) ... A friend insists that fate is pre-determined, and we have no free will. Where's the script then? Would have to be pretty big to account for everything in the universe. More than a couple of gigabytes anyway


I couldn't find Moira...

[Violet]

1. We have a mind capable of over-riding our basest instincts, including that of self-preservation. If we were purely instinctual, and had no 'choice', would we be able to do this? I think not.

Or do we? Is this in reference to some sort of "free will"... or in reference to our capacity to intentionally kill ourselves?

2. You can't. We have to quantify the whole world, in order to give us the illusion of control over it. Every measurement/ value judgement we make is purely from our own perspective. And therefore flawed, to some extent.

Why would a thing be "flawed?" simply by being subjective? Define what you mean by "quantify" and "control"?

3. It's a film about a killer whale. (sorry, my screens a bit hard to read) ... A friend insists that fate is pre-determined, and we have no free will. Where's the script then? Would have to be pretty big to account for everything in the universe. More than a couple of gigabytes anyway

Why would it have to be large? <-- Evidence? Why could it and the other 1032143289432147123 47923472304712047124702910843490019018299892832331636172363723984932491019319823471238947320914730219847321643126408231648932674832748327409873029473201947832098470923758947184937 universes within the "Extraverse" in the 34892th dimension not be stored in the space of a hydrogen atom and watched over by a being with omnipotent powers within those universes <-- Evidence?

If evidence: does this apply to all other potential existences? <-- Evidence?

The entire thing seems to me an argument from expectation (<insert proper name for fallacy here following strikeout of former understood but improper?>)... but the universe (and beyond?) does not necessarily conform to one's expectations.

[RedFish]

1. In reference to our ability to put the well-being and safety of others before our own. Suicide is a selfish act, is it not?
2. I'm not saying the thing itself is flawed, only our interpretation of it. By quantify I mean our desire to understand. Control is pretty self-explanatory.
3. The response is that I gave to my friend. There is no evidence of a 'script', nor a lack of one. Are you confusing your imagination with physics? Pretty easy to do, one stems from the other.
You lost me at the end.