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RE: What will it take to convert you?
December 29, 2014 at 11:18 pm
For a full and honest conversion, I need to be given equal powers to the God so I would know with confidence that I was not being misled by a demon.
OTOH, I have no idea how I'd be able to tell if I actually had equal powers and was not being misled by a demon. I suspect that knowledge would come with the omniscience thingie.
OTOOH, I still don't know how I'd know I was omniscient.
So how, exactly, does God know that She's NOT a brain in a vat? 
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RE: What will it take to convert you?
December 29, 2014 at 11:27 pm
(December 29, 2014 at 9:21 pm)dyresand Wrote: (December 29, 2014 at 7:51 pm)KevinM1 Wrote: What would make me believe? A good start would be god eliminating disease, illness, and disability in the blink of an eye. I still wouldn't immediately say, "Yup, that's god alright," but it'd certainly get my attention. We can move on from there.
But god is lazy remember.
I prefer the word 'callous'.
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RE: What will it take to convert you?
December 30, 2014 at 12:37 am
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(December 29, 2014 at 11:18 pm)JuliaL Wrote: For a full and honest conversion, I need to be given equal powers to the God so I would know with confidence that I was not being misled by a demon.
OTOH, I have no idea how I'd be able to tell if I actually had equal powers and was not being misled by a demon. I suspect that knowledge would come with the omniscience thingie.
OTOOH, I still don't know how I'd know I was omniscient.
You'd... Erm... well, in that case you'd know that, too, and so on, recursively 
But yes, I think an intelligence sufficiently advanced and powerful could possibly manipulate you into thinking you are omniscient...
The fool hath said in his heart, There is a God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
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RE: What will it take to convert you?
December 30, 2014 at 12:40 am
Give me a million dollars and I'll convert to anything you want.
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RE: What will it take to convert you?
December 30, 2014 at 12:45 am
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(December 29, 2014 at 1:55 pm)whateverist Wrote: (December 29, 2014 at 1:27 pm)Alex K Wrote: ..but seriously, when some super being fabricates an encounter of the nth kind for you, you are free to call this being a god if you like, but what reason would you have to jump to the conclusion that you are dealing with anything close to the God of monotheism, a creator, an almighty one? None, right?
Like I say, it would depend on the nature of the encounter. Not sure what my questions would be but if I felt the answers were legit, why not? Presumably I would bring up the possibility of its being an advanced alien race. But really, if the show is convincing enough what does it matter?
I think it matters a great deal whether we are dealing with a very convincing cosmic impostor or the real deal. If not to you directly, then for the sake of humanity: many will follow the latter whereever it leads, and will take it as a source of absolute truth and morality, but not necessarily the former.
(December 30, 2014 at 12:40 am)psychoslice Wrote: Give me a million dollars and I'll convert to anything you want.
Well there's this order of begging monks I'd like to tell you about...
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RE: What will it take to convert you?
December 30, 2014 at 1:48 am
There's absolutely nothing. With evidence you could possibly prove the existence if a god but you couldn't convince me to care about its existence any more than it has cared about mine. (Which is not at all)
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RE: What will it take to convert you?
December 30, 2014 at 3:15 am
psychoslice Wrote:
Give me a million dollars and I'll convert to anything you want.
Alex K , Well there's this order of begging monks I'd like to tell you about...
Sounds good to me, but I wouldn't need to beg, I would have a million dollars.
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RE: What will it take to convert you?
December 30, 2014 at 9:10 am
(December 30, 2014 at 12:40 am)psychoslice Wrote: Give me a million dollars and I'll convert to anything you want.
Funny, many of the "tv evangelists" make well over that.
An anecdote:
I collect watches. I spend many hours a day researching them, to the point that I can reliably spot a fake rolex from a distance of 10 feet.
I attended a Catholic service during christmas with my now ex girlfriend. The priest drones on and on about the commercialism and "bastardization" of the holiday and how we're a bunch of greedy fuckers who should give all our money to the poor.
All while wearing a two tone Rolex submariner with a msrp of ~ 12000.00 us. It was pretty damn hard to take him seriously after noticing that.
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RE: What will it take to convert you?
December 30, 2014 at 11:03 am
(December 30, 2014 at 1:48 am)Losty Wrote: There's absolutely nothing. With evidence you could possibly prove the existence if a god but you couldn't convince me to care about its existence any more than it has cared about mine. (Which is not at all)
Well i care about your existence  but i'm not god. If we all were gods were mortal gods.
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RE: What will it take to convert you?
December 30, 2014 at 11:54 am
(December 30, 2014 at 12:37 am)Alex K Wrote:
But yes, I think an intelligence sufficiently advanced and powerful could possibly manipulate you into thinking you are omniscient... Drat. That puts us back to the indistinguishable from lobotomy answer so ably demonstrated by online theists.
So how, exactly, does God know that She's NOT a brain in a vat?
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