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Dyre, nobody is controlling you.
I do not mean there is a lack of social control, which to violate usually brings a price to pay. It is your choice to follow it or not.
I mean you are totally in control of you.
God is not controlling you nor is the devil.
(January 1, 2015 at 10:46 pm)Spooky Wrote: Why not? God is all powerful after all.
When you want God to create a moveable/unmoveable rock.....what exactly do you want God to do? When you can make sense of your own proposition then perhaps we can discuss what it means to be all powerful. The existence of an omnipotent God does not make your nonsense disappear.
Prove god can do anything. That is not your definition of "all powerful". All powerful never seems to take into account simple logic.
om·nip·o·tent
ˌämˈnipəd(ə)nt/
adjective
1.
(of a deity) having unlimited power; able to do anything.
synonyms: all-powerful, almighty, supreme, preeminent, most high
Fine. Since god is proving not omnipotent but impotent today lets try some easier ones:
Can god continue to spread the good word with a complete lack of violence? Oops, human error screws that up. But since god can't do anything about that lets try again. Can god create a divinely inspired text that won't be used to incite violence that will claim the lives of millions? Shit, humans messing stuff up again. Can god communicate using anything other than two thousand year old fairy tales? No. Can god create a creature in his image that doesn't happen to be completely fubar? Apparently not.
Can god nut up and take accountability for his bullshit? Probably not. God can't do anything because god doesn't exist.
God is a complete failure to live up to his own definition.
(January 1, 2015 at 11:07 pm)professor Wrote: Dyre, nobody is controlling you.
I do not mean there is a lack of social control, which to violate usually brings a price to pay. It is your choice to follow it or not.
I mean you are totally in control of you.
God is not controlling you nor is the devil.
If someone says we have no free will then our actions are not our own.
So if someone says we have no free will i will question it.
(January 1, 2015 at 9:48 pm)Godschild Wrote: Have you actually with seriousness looked for God
This shit pisses me off.
What does this even mean?
"Look for god".
Bollocks.
I suspect a great many people here have probably put in a lot more effort than you to discern whether a god exists or not. It's not a question of whether someone has lived up to this insane obligation to "look". It's a question of whether the shit we're supposed to believe is convincing enough to make us believe it in the first place. Some people are more easily convinced than others (read: more fucking gullible). The thing that is the most ridiculous about this absurd notion, is that if god were to punish us for either option, looking and not being convinced or not looking at all, one way or another he is a massive fucking cunt.
Not only that. But if it were so easy as simply 'looking' for him, I suspect everyone on this planet would not only be Christian, but they'd be the right denomination and all believe the same shit. The very fact even you guys can't agree on what's right or what to follow in that big book of myths you call the bible, suggests even further this isn't some trivial task like "looking for him".
If we genuinely 'search for god' and we come to the conclusion he isn't there, and we're wrong, he's going to punish us for... what exactly?
And if we don't look at all, what in the flying fuck makes this asshole god so self important that he wants every bastard on this planet to spend their lives searching for him? Why should we be obligated to seek him out? Please enlighten me.
Don't come back with "because your fate in the afterlife is on the line", or "jesus died for you" or some other nonsense. Let's say both of those are true. Muslims could argue the same thing and they'd have just as much validity.
No, god can come to me thanks. I'm not inclined to believe he exists any more than some other bullshit you come up with, like Harry Potter is real, or a cosmic space turtle shat everything into existence, because by all accounts, any actual evidence that he does exist, doesn't fucking exist.
Period. End of discussion.
If you've made some groundbreaking discovery and have undeniable proof of his existence, that you happened to come across while simply 'looking', please collect your nobel fucking prize.
Also, another fuckin thing. Say someone in some uncontacted Amazonian tribe doesn't 'look for god', because they're busy being brought up on worshipping trees, or the sun, or other shit that makes way more sense than some all seeing sky daddy. Do they get a free pass to heaven or do they get punished? Either way your god sounds like an asshole. If he gives them a free pass, that's not exactly fair to me is it? Or anyone else for that matter. If he punishes them, then damn, what a cold hearted sadistic bastard.
If he's real, he'll know my reasons for not believing in him, and if he's not a total cunt I'm pretty sure he'd let me off. That would be the reasonable thing to do. So given that, I'm not too worried about my fate. Nor should anyone else be. The thing that sickens me most is the insidious nature behind the 'have you seriously looked' line of thinking. It implies not only that you've looked harder than someone else, but also that you apparently care more. Talk about arrogance.
If he doesn't forgive me for not accepting the quite obvious and undeniable evidence for his existence that you are insinuating is there if people just happen to 'look for it', then this god is not one I would worship, even if I knew beyond a shadow of a doubt he was real.
/endrant.
Exactly!
Why does god has to have some preconditions when revealing himself/herself to us? Some so called born-again christurds received revelations while shitting in their toilet or halfway into their climax. Meanwhile, atheists die out without being visited once by your imaginary sky daddy. So why is this revelation done in a deceitful manner? Some have to dig deep to find god or others get regular visits without lifting their asses off their couch.
Oh wait...I knew this was coming! God revealed himself to you but you chose to ignore...
So is me having a dream almost everyday fucking Kim Kardashian a sign from god? Pretty weird, I think.
(January 1, 2015 at 9:48 pm)Godschild Wrote: Have you actually with seriousness looked for God
This shit pisses me off.
What does this even mean?
"Look for god".
Bollocks.
I suspect a great many people here have probably put in a lot more effort than you to discern whether a god exists or not. It's not a question of whether someone has lived up to this insane obligation to "look". It's a question of whether the shit we're supposed to believe is convincing enough to make us believe it in the first place. Some people are more easily convinced than others (read: more fucking gullible). The thing that is the most ridiculous about this absurd notion, is that if god were to punish us for either option, looking and not being convinced or not looking at all, one way or another he is a massive fucking cunt.
Not only that. But if it were so easy as simply 'looking' for him, I suspect everyone on this planet would not only be Christian, but they'd be the right denomination and all believe the same shit. The very fact even you guys can't agree on what's right or what to follow in that big book of myths you call the bible, suggests even further this isn't some trivial task like "looking for him".
If we genuinely 'search for god' and we come to the conclusion he isn't there, and we're wrong, he's going to punish us for... what exactly?
And if we don't look at all, what in the flying fuck makes this asshole god so self important that he wants every bastard on this planet to spend their lives searching for him? Why should we be obligated to seek him out? Please enlighten me.
Don't come back with "because your fate in the afterlife is on the line", or "jesus died for you" or some other nonsense. Let's say both of those are true. Muslims could argue the same thing and they'd have just as much validity.
No, god can come to me thanks. I'm not inclined to believe he exists any more than some other bullshit you come up with, like Harry Potter is real, or a cosmic space turtle shat everything into existence, because by all accounts, any actual evidence that he does exist, doesn't fucking exist.
Period. End of discussion.
If you've made some groundbreaking discovery and have undeniable proof of his existence, that you happened to come across while simply 'looking', please collect your nobel fucking prize.
Also, another fuckin thing. Say someone in some uncontacted Amazonian tribe doesn't 'look for god', because they're busy being brought up on worshipping trees, or the sun, or other shit that makes way more sense than some all seeing sky daddy. Do they get a free pass to heaven or do they get punished? Either way your god sounds like an asshole. If he gives them a free pass, that's not exactly fair to me is it? Or anyone else for that matter. If he punishes them, then damn, what a cold hearted sadistic bastard.
If he's real, he'll know my reasons for not believing in him, and if he's not a total cunt I'm pretty sure he'd let me off. That would be the reasonable thing to do. So given that, I'm not too worried about my fate. Nor should anyone else be. The thing that sickens me most is the insidious nature behind the 'have you seriously looked' line of thinking. It implies not only that you've looked harder than someone else, but also that you apparently care more. Talk about arrogance.
If he doesn't forgive me for not accepting the quite obvious and undeniable evidence for his existence that you are insinuating is there if people just happen to 'look for it', then this god is not one I would worship, even if I knew beyond a shadow of a doubt he was real.
/endrant.
If you have a heart attack don't blame me, all I did was ask a question. Your juvenile reaction was quite over the top, you need to get a hold of your emotions before they kill you.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
I do not recall where God describes Himself as omnipotent.
People have done that though.
There are lots of things God can't do.
Usually our description is given with the understanding of leaving out the things God can't do.
He cannot lie, nor change His nature, nor can He learn or be taught.
I am sure there are more.
(January 1, 2015 at 10:51 pm)Heywood Wrote:
When you want God to create a moveable/unmoveable rock.....what exactly do you want God to do? When you can make sense of your own proposition then perhaps we can discuss what it means to be all powerful. The existence of an omnipotent God does not make your nonsense disappear.
Prove god can do anything. That is not your definition of "all powerful". All powerful never seems to take into account simple logic.
om·nip·o·tent
ˌämˈnipəd(ə)nt/
adjective
1.
(of a deity) having unlimited power; able to do anything.
synonyms: all-powerful, almighty, supreme, preeminent, most high
Fine. Since god is proving not omnipotent but impotent today lets try some easier ones:
Can god continue to spread the good word with a complete lack of violence? Oops, human error screws that up. But since god can't do anything about that lets try again. Can god create a divinely inspired text that won't be used to incite violence that will claim the lives of millions? Shit, humans messing stuff up again. Can god communicate using anything other than two thousand year old fairy tales? No. Can god create a creature in his image that doesn't happen to be completely fubar? Apparently not.
Can god nut up and take accountability for his bullshit? Probably not. God can't do anything because god doesn't exist.
God is a complete failure to live up to his own definition.
You are using a secular definition for omnipotence not a philosophical or theological one.
Anyways, the point I was making is that proposition such as the one you made are nonsensical and therefore cannot be used to tell us anything....including what it means to be omnipotent. They are a stupid waste of time.
(January 1, 2015 at 11:14 pm)professor Wrote: I do not recall where God describes Himself as omnipotent.
People have done that though.
There are lots of things God can't do.
Usually our description is given with the understanding of leaving out the things God can't do.
He cannot lie, nor change His nature, nor can He learn or be taught.
I am sure there are more.
January 1, 2015 at 11:24 pm (This post was last modified: January 1, 2015 at 11:25 pm by Napoléon.)
(January 1, 2015 at 11:13 pm)Godschild Wrote: If you have a heart attack don't blame me, all I did was ask a question. Your juvenile reaction was quite over the top, you need to get a hold of your emotions before they kill you.
What was juvenile? Did some naughty words upset you? I don't mean to toot my own trumpet, but the amount of holes in your 'look for god' comment is ridiculous and I think I highlighted them quite well. It's completely insulting that you come on here and spout this crap to people. That you ask such a question is far more insulting than anything I said in my post.
Classic though. Don't address any actual points, just moan about the fact I swore.
